EVE General Discussion

Facpo would be gone. I suppose you could call that a redesign of sec status mechanics.

It would introduce the opportunity for meaningful gameplay that isn't overridden by NPCs who are faster, stronger, and react more quickly than any group of players ever could.

It would improve the game because it would let pirate playstyle characters interact with highsec in more than just cheap, disposable ships, improving the potential for player interaction a hundredfold.

nerf it... I feel like I'm stacking exploits or something the way I'm running right now. it used to be fine, but burner missions and standings mechanics are just stupid. Other content just isn't worth doing.

Missions: I've always liked missions as a way to log in, not worry about stuff, blow up some ships, and not worry about taking orders. they are a nice solo activity for when you only have a little bit of time. However a number of changes have happened in the last few years that have created some very silly situations.

First Nerf concord LP, being able to stockpile concord LP and convert to any empire LP is stupid. Kills incentives to run for certain corps. Hopefully this would come with some sort of buff to the concord LP store, I imagine as is that would be too much LP for it to handle. Maybe restrict concord LP to navy stores (maybe that is too evil)

second. normalize LP payouts based on sec bands and not system sec. Overall this would probably be a reward/LP nerf. the sec status based payout just leads to clustering. there are like 4 agents in highsec that are worth using. Getting rid of agent quality was a great first step, but there have been enough changes since we have problems again.

third. normalize jumps for missions. overall they are pretty okay, but there are some silly situations. Warp speed implants being the best implants for mission running and regularly spending more time in warp than in mission is silly.

4th give navy style stores some sort of usefulness. having all the same stuff as navy stores means LP floods happen whenever that side is up. I had 1mil+ lp with CPF that I have been slowly using up when anything near 1k isk/lp shows up in the CN lp store. Looking at fuzzwork there are mostly 1 and 3% implants on the front page, with a few ammo choices. Suppose I could dump an ammo market but those markets are so flooded it is hard to maintain any decent trade.

The mission changes all go together as there are a few agent that might be worth using, but because they are in a high truesec any incentive of a special LP store is wiped out because of CONCORD convertible LP, or they are a navy corp and the LP trade out is bleh, or where they are leads to a bad jump pattern. Some aspects of the current system are desirable like systems rich with targets for ninjas or giving traders opportunities to create small regional hubs. I used to stock Irjunen with a large selection of goods, and made some nice profit doing so. however with all the changes irjunen completely dried up (speaking of that maybe CCP should make PI available there given there is almost no load on that node).

when it comes to missions I'll never be able to go back to normal, massive hordes of red icons that I can faceroll (speaking of that, sounds a lot like null anoms, not sure I could ever live in null either).

additionally maybe even buff lv1/2 missions. the amount of newbs that get sucked into mining because at day one it seems like best income when they could be shooting stuff instead is too high!

incursions: pretty much no comment, don't run them enough. flying a whole bunch of jumps just to wait around, and log in the next day to do another whole bunch of jumps. I don't know that I have too much of a problem with the content. I like the team up aspect, and think more content should require multiple people. Although the roflicer fits that you see get killed every once in a while make me wonder.

trading: multibuy/sell is awesome! since so much of trade is player driven not much to say on it as a mechanic.

mining: imo the whole system needs a revamp. as is CODE is doing community service work by discouraging mining. If anything I feel like mining barge HP got buffed too much.

production: would be nice if BS cost a little less to build in jita. most of the other stuff I make the fee doesn't even matter. hauling is a pain in the arse, would be nice to not have to haul like mad just to move stuff around.

ganking/wars: not much to say, pretty happy with the way things are. I found a post it with forum post ideas from years back and one said nerf concord, although if I remember right it came with the stipulation insurance payouts got nerfed. well that happened, and I'd say most ships got buffed enough *cough*destroyers*cough* that concord got nerfed so good job ccp

wormholes: why do highsec holes to thera not allow battleships

contracts: would be nice to be able to search thera as a destination for courier contracts.

Standings: maybe make them mean something again.


if a ccper wants me to talk to them about mission specifics I'd be happy to. but in general I'm going to stay a little vague at least for now, I expect some patch to dump on me soon™ and when that hits I have like 8 backup plans of things I want to do. Until then I'll be rolling in my filthy pile of iskies.

If there was a single area of highsec I would fix, it would be the mission running mechanics to remove metagaming and scripting. In addition, I would develop it to encourage a fleet dynamic and indirect competition for mission goals. Give players a better taste of competition.

Mining Indices for high sec

meh, I have no problems with weak corps getting dunked. That said highsec wars seem to turn into games of catch the idiot who doesn't pay any attention, and shoot each other on a station till someone does something stupid and loses a ship. I have little patience for either, freaking weaponized boredom at its finest. I feel like worst case a wardec is an invitation for a corp to go play in low/null sec for a week and not even care about the wardec. As signal-cartel calls them "wardorks" Perhaps there needs to be some better explanation about creating/joining a corp for new players somewhere? At the same time I feel like if wardecs got removed the game wouldn't really lose anything.


I mostly do want to see that, but in the end it is still pve and I imagine it will still get cheesed.

At the extremes we have PVP players arguing that highsec is too safe, they see a target rich environment and want easier access - forgetting that those targets are paying subscribers who have just as much right to enjoy the game as anyone else. Then we have carebears who argue it's too dangerous, non-consensual PVP should be restricted to low or nullsec - forgetting that if you remove the risk, you also remove the reward. I believe the playing field is tilted in favor of PVP at the moment, penalties for ganking are minor and choke point systems provide a steady supply of victims but I freely admit my opinion is biased!

So, what would I like to change that, hopefully, doesn't require a massive amount of development effort? Actually, not much. As a hauler, I would like to see Vecamia and Olettiers upgraded to 0.5 creating alternate routes between trade hubs. As a builder I would like to see loot drops restricted to salvage, components and blueprints - everything else should be player built.

I think the best thing CCP can do is continue to improve opportunities for builders in nullsec - give highsec industrialists incentive to move.

This. Currently I can build a colony in 30 min - fun part. Then milk it - boring part. With introduction on citadels and their fits why not same setup with planets? Then interact planet - ships on orbit. Distant future I presume.

I wish CCP would make more missions as the current ones have already been done a million times.

My own little piece of Eden.

Translation: "I want to gank noobs with no consequences"