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You're right, a 200% bonus to ice harvesting would be a little too much and quite overpowered.

Thank you, dear for clearing that up.

Okay, just did the math again (I assume this is correct, slightly drunk at the moment ):

An Ice Harvester II has a cycle time of 250s. Ice Harvesting 5 reduces the cycle time by 25%. This results in (I use the Skiff for comparison, since I usually use it for ice harvesting):


Skiff:

• Mining Barge 5: 10% reduction in cycle time
• Exhumer 5: 10% reduction in cycle time
• Role Bonus 5: 60% reduction in cycle time

That results (all bonuses are multiplied) in:
0.75 * 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.4 * 250s = 60.75s (without rigs or Ice Harvester Upgrades)

Discovery:

• Expedition Frigate 5: 25% reduction in cycle time
• Mining Frigat 5: 25% reduction in cycle time
• Role Bonus 5: 50% reduction in cycle time

That results (all bonuses are multiplied) in:
0.75 * 0.75 * 0.75 * 0.5 * 330s = 69.91s (Ice Mining Laser II without rigs or Ice Harvester Upgrades)

This is actually pretty close. Both ships have the same ore hold size, but the Discovery will be much cheaper (at least after a few weeks). If you don't want to skill into mining barges/exhumers, this seems to be a valid alternative. Can't wait to get my hands on a few of those.

I think the cargo hold is a bit to big and the mining bonus a bit to strong comparatively imo but its not bad and will fill that role very well. But 9 secs difference in cycle times for a max skilled skiff and this new ship is a bit close. And the likely price difference between ships is huge. It will also nearly make ganking a miner impossible. Gank starts landing you cloak up and bugger off. Orbit a roid with full AB on with skiff sized ore bay potential? Yeah you need to nerf it a bit in one area either cargo hold or cycle time.

The other factor will be price imo. To create a ship thats roughly the same as the cost of the prospect means you get skiff abilities for a fraction of the cost for replacement and made them cheaper than the t1 barges for the job. As much as I will love to see the ganker tears as miners retrain and use these to blot out the skies Id love to see a restriction on their use in high sec only, that is to say to NOT be able to be used in high at all. These are perfect for low, null and whs and should be restricted to it as such. Leaving them able to fly in all areas of space(high sec) as will be a mistake imo.



As for the people wondering why the venture shouldnt have this is this fact: Skill for operation of Expedition Frigates.

This skill cannot be trained on Trial Accounts.

If you give the ice mining laser to the venture youll get this.... BOTS!! BOTS AS FAR AS THE EYE CAN SEE!! And on trial accounts as throwaway ice miners. Yeah no sorry thatd be DUMB! As it stands itll take a full paid account to get there.

And a yes to the small ice and merc rigs as well.

This ship better come as a default blue/white ;)

with a nice 'X' design ;D

..... 15 Icecubes? That does not compare well to mining barges and exhumers alike. A cruiser sized hull is supposed to carry MORE, not less than a frig!

The 10k a Prospect could carry sounded okay-ish for the price, and I get that the non-cloaky version has to do better; but then I'd rather go for 7500 on the Prospect and 10000 on the Discovery. Otherwise, you risk obsoleting the Exhumer series altogether.

Ya, I'm sure that will help with the prices. * eyeroll*

That's the bonus to ore yield, it doesn't affect ice.

Because they obviously want you to see it on dscan when it's warping.

Remove the cloaking bonuses. Give it turrets, ewar mid slots and damage bonus, i.e. a combat mining frigate.