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All new characters will now start with ~400,000 skillpoints
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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#41 - 2015-09-24 18:01:29 UTC
Johnny Riko wrote:
Ryu Chaos wrote:
imho, everyone under 10m SP or 1 year old (mains only) should get the free 400k sp so they dont feel cheated, or even better everyone Twisted


What reason is there that they shouldn't they give 350k SP to everyone? No matter how long you've been playing, at some point you paid a subscription and spent 1-2 weeks training the new skills.

Oh my God this is such little sp it's actually negligible.

It's like my children arguing that one of them got one extra chip (French fry for the amaricans amongst us)

They're just going to waste it on mining anyway so .

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#42 - 2015-09-24 18:14:12 UTC
Raffael Ramirez wrote:
Good move!
Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality.



I second this emotion.
ApophisXP
Sadistic Retribution
Sadistic Empire
#43 - 2015-09-24 18:15:32 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Seems like a good move to me. I know CCP were looking at higher levels, so I guess they will watch what affect this has on making the NPE and or training into some basic fits, a bit easier.

If anyone is wondering where this is from, it's in the Vanguard patch notes:

http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-vanguard

Multi-buy next release too. \o/

Also an icon for your ship in space. \o/ \o/ http://i.imgur.com/hanZbPy.gifv (thanks /r/eve for the gif)


That multibuy is like the best thing ever!

Next step, Multi-Buy + Fit, so can just dock buy+fit and fly out!
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#44 - 2015-09-24 18:22:57 UTC
Harrison Tato wrote:
Raffael Ramirez wrote:
Good move!
Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality.



I second this emotion.

Eh, why not make it 10 M, so they will have a lot of choices available.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#45 - 2015-09-24 18:27:03 UTC
ApophisXP wrote:
That multibuy is like the best thing ever!

Next step, Multi-Buy + Fit, so can just dock buy+fit and fly out!

Great idea. I shall call it the “I have done wrong; market, punish me” button. Lol
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#46 - 2015-09-24 18:29:21 UTC
Tippia wrote:
ApophisXP wrote:
That multibuy is like the best thing ever!

Next step, Multi-Buy + Fit, so can just dock buy+fit and fly out!

Great idea. I shall call it the “I have done wrong; market, punish me” button. Lol

Hahaha, that actually made me laughBig smile

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Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#47 - 2015-09-24 19:29:03 UTC
Consider the move a giant digital tissue we must issue to the hordes of crybabies who now "game".

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Thorn en Distel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2015-09-25 07:24:55 UTC
I think it's a good move. It IS quite painful to be new in a game where everyone has zillions of SP. Even my forum alt has multiples of that 400K. So here's me cheering the devs.

And if the crybabies insist this somehow steals their efforts... well, the devs could always consider granting 400K free SP per account, to be spent on any character. Would solve the issue for people who only JUST missed the boat too.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#49 - 2015-09-25 08:02:47 UTC
I just hope the SP will include Industry 1. The NPE is giving a tough ride to noobs who can't figure that they need a skill to complete the industry objective, since the industry interface doesn't includes any warning about missing skills.
Tiberius Heth
Doomheim
#50 - 2015-09-25 08:07:33 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I just hope the SP will include Industry 1. The NPE is giving a tough ride to noobs who can't figure that they need a skill to complete the industry objective, since the industry interface doesn't includes any warning about missing skills.


Giving it all some thought this would be a logical reason for the change. Previously the tutorial would give you some free skills etc and would ease you into the game more. Now that that's gone they make up for it with a more complete character with more skills and go "well, good luck!".
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#51 - 2015-09-25 08:11:05 UTC
Good change. Should probably have been a bit more but this is good.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
widgetman
Widgetland
#52 - 2015-09-25 08:23:14 UTC
You can give new players 20 mill sp , or even 50 mill sp.....it is knowledge of the game that will still not help them .....
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#53 - 2015-09-25 08:35:50 UTC
If you gave a newbie an all V alt they will still whine about not being able to PVP because he doesn't even know how to use or even fly a titan as he whelps it into a lowsec gategun.

New excuses include "PVP IS TOO EXPENSIVE" and other silly things.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#54 - 2015-09-25 08:39:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Tiberius Heth wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I just hope the SP will include Industry 1. The NPE is giving a tough ride to noobs who can't figure that they need a skill to complete the industry objective, since the industry interface doesn't includes any warning about missing skills.


Giving it all some thought this would be a logical reason for the change. Previously the tutorial would give you some free skills etc and would ease you into the game more. Now that that's gone they make up for it with a more complete character with more skills and go "well, good luck!".


Here's the new starter skill set, looks like they're minding completion of the NPE:

https://imgur.com/a/XQ23E#6

By the way, I found that after Neville Smit's blog, which pointed how it had been posted on a Tweet by ISD Rontea. Also the Skill change has not been announced, rather it was just dropped on the Patch notes. No OFFICIAL communication on the OFFICIAL forums, you know, very à-la-latest-fad-from-Rek.

CCP should keep working on that Communications III... Roll
Captain Awkward
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2015-09-25 08:57:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Awkward
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Harrison Tato wrote:
Raffael Ramirez wrote:
Good move!
Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality.



I second this emotion.

Eh, why not make it 10 M, so they will have a lot of choices available.


The Idea is to give new players a option. Not many options, not all options.

Character progression is still a strong point. Beeing able to fly that new ship gives you something that you can look forward to. Its rewarding when you finally sit in that ship you waited for so long.

If you give them 10M skillpoints, you take away a big part of it.

500k - 1M gives them the option to fly something "that works" while they skill up to the more powerfull ships.
Isajah
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2015-09-25 09:03:00 UTC
give them skill points, makes them cry for cash...

remember that guy protesting, because he directly skilled T2 frigs but couldn't afford them?

Me wants Comet mining
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#57 - 2015-09-25 09:03:58 UTC
This is dumb.

It's just a creeping effect. New players aren't going to feel any less overwhelmed by the skills they don't have just because they'll be starting with a few more than previous ones did.

You all think this is a good change because you have a basis of comparison. A new player starting after this change isn't going to notice any difference.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#58 - 2015-09-25 09:10:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Primary This Rifter
I mean I really don't care about the SP, it's only... what, one weeks worth? I just don't see how this will change anything about the new player experience.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#59 - 2015-09-25 09:21:52 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
I mean I really don't care about the SP, it's only... what, two weeks worth? I just don't see how this will change anything about the new player experience.


It won't. The more that's given away for free, the less choices new players are allowed to make. Eventually that will start to make them whine. We already have purists of every kind who don't want that one rank in ${whatever}. Now we're just going to hear more of that from the ones who stick around.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Avvy
Doomheim
#60 - 2015-09-25 09:43:10 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
This is dumb.

It's just a creeping effect. New players aren't going to feel any less overwhelmed by the skills they don't have just because they'll be starting with a few more than previous ones did.

You all think this is a good change because you have a basis of comparison. A new player starting after this change isn't going to notice any difference.



The change is too small to be noticed and as you point out it won't make any real difference to future new players.