Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Its only high if they fit an invuln, which is rare, which can be neuted off fairly easily. Its rare a shield ship is going to put kinetic rigs over EM/thermal, except certain T2 minmatar ships/fits. Against things like an armor cruiser, the drake has more than enough tank to kill them before they kill it. Not to mention being able to fit a medium neut. Setup for tank and scram/web, it still has plenty of tank and dps to handle other larger ships when properly fit for it.

The drake i fly with can do 720dps cold with rage, and 800+ heated. Using faction is over 600dps cold. Comparing that to other BC's, it out dps' the hurricane, is about on par with the harbinger, and is just under the brutix. Before these nerf's, a drake could scram kite a brutix and MAYBE win the dps race. It is still on par with other BC's, and does decent dps even with the kinetic lock. Even with unbonused missiles, it was not hard to kill smaller, tankier ships since you were shooting directly into their resist hole anyway.



Minmatar t2 profile is not flat, its 75/60/40/50 before mods. Unless you are specifically brawling, the kinetic hole is left open. The svipul is 60% in tank mode, but are still easy to kill with a drake. Neuts and consistently applied dps brings t3d's down. T1 shield ships also follow this same logic, they fill therm/EM holes over kinetic ones.




Or adapting and accepting that one ship cannot fight every ship, and every type of fit in the game. Seriously.. cry more.





You are still able to shift your damage profile, just at the reduction of damage. No one is forcing you into using only kinetic. I have killed multiple ships with unbonused missiles on a drake. As i could shoot directly into their resist hole, and apply neut pressure. Combined with good application, I could bring them down. Now in a situation like drake vs ishtar, deimos, then i would accept i could not realistically tank and outdamage them with unbonused missiles. That is a fight I would try to avoid.

Laser/hybrids use cap, missiles do not. I have far more resistance against neuting, don't need to worry about transversal or range. I get within web range, apply neuts, drones and missiles and go to town. Trying to compare missiles to turrets outright, and focusing only on resists is foolish.

Think you should step away from EFT and just fly the ship. You'll realize the kinetic lock is not as restrictive as you think.

I understand that buffs need to be done in baby steps. Power creep and all that. And, I think these improvements are good on soooo many levels. I seriously believe that nerfing Hurricanes/Drakes/Heavies/Invulns had a huge negative impact on EVE. I truly hope these changes will have the desired results I think they might have. Eve lost a lot of pilots in the past year. I hope this isn't "too little, too late".

I think BC's have always been the *gateway* ship for sub-cap fights to escalate. BC should be able to run off the cruisers, or kill them, and they should draw attention from BS pilots.
In My Opinion: This is just the right approach for bringing back BS camps and more hi-sec PvP.
Which will keep more pilots entertained, and be better for subscription rates, player activity, bottom line, and general fun for all gaming.

I have harped about the Drake many times, but I like the fact that ALL BC have been addressed. I really don't care about any particular ship, (they're all fun if they do their job) but I do care about the *big picture* and I think this is a huge step in the right direction.

Edit for Marios comment:
I think if you see BC's doing what they should do, T3's will start dying like they should.
And yes, I'd like heavies to be a bit better myself, but I think these changes are still 100% moving in the right direction.

Nah as is T3s will still dust BC's by virtue of 2 things.

1) T3s will apply more DPS to BC's than BC's do to T3s. Most (not all) BC's take 100% damage from medium sized weaponry, all T3's mitigate about 30% damage from medium weapons simply by using an AB, and 10-15% (depending on the hull) simply moving at max speed.

2) T3's can achieve nearly double the tank of BC's while maintaining similar DPS peaks. This is probably the biggest issue in comparison, while damage differences make sense (bigger ships should take more "full" hits from smaller guns) the tank difference is huge.

If you put an equal sized T3 group against an equal sized BC group, even post changes the T3 group will always win out due to their ability to out-tank and apply more DPS. They are basically battleships with cruiser sized sigs and BC like damage peaks. Keep the damage, keep the "size" lose the tank.

HACs are capable of taking on BS fleets with their ~60K EHP tanks, T3s could do the same with 70-80K EHP tanks id wager.

I think t3 cruisers need to be rebalanced as t3 BCs. This means all their capabilities fall better in line, and their ship stats - IE agility, velocity, sig radius, and Scan Res can be rebalanced to fall in line with BCs.
It makes T3s less powerful by way of size classification while retaining everything else.

I still want my cloaky/nullified Tengu for null sec exploration though. I need that tank for solo sites, and the nullified fit has crap DPS. So that ship for that role, seams ok to me.

Perhaps the 'combat' subsystems could use some tweeking? DPS/Tank offsets, or something.

I'll say this. You get caught and hard tackled in a T3 by a couple guys, and you generally going to die. Mobility is everything for them.

I dunno about a great deal more...a bit more maybe...About the only drawback i see shield ships having is being slightly quicker to lock thanks to sig bloom. Armor ships have to first sacrifice DPS to even fit tank, second need to sacrifice application or utility to fit MJD. Shield ships sacrifice some tank or utility, but can add DPS or application in the lows.

Id say for the most part it is a wash.

That being said I think all BC's should have ability to use MJD Including the Teir 3 BCs....

Also unrelated to the above

Make the Naga shoot Rapid Heavies please something like -reload time % as it bonus...Ferox is king sniper now.

Not sure if this has been discussed already, but a logical reason for Myrm's popularity in the stats could well be solely it's slot layout, allowing it to fit MMJD with another prop and everything else.

CCP games if you really serious about bringing BC's into the fight with enhanced mobility and projection,

then please take a look at T1 / navy BC warp speed and enhance them also from 2.7 to 3.0 AU/sec

Or at the least re-balance hyperspatial velocity optimizer rigs so they won't interfere with a(ny) meta game fitting requirements.

Regards, a Freelancer

Does increased optimal/falloff really make BCs any better at killing cruisers? I would have thought optimal and tracking speed would have been better...

+ 1 mid and -1 low on the hurricane would have been nice.

You leave my Hurricane alone you monster. Stay away from her - she doesn't like you and your lack of falloff bonus anyway!