EVE General Discussion

Chickenbutt.

Agreed on the random issue. Even if there exists a random element somewhere, its nonetheless certainly introduced solely through player action, and players alone. Trading is PvP.

On the new "competetive PvE" buzzword, some few people seem to be really hung up on it, for some reason or other.
Especially from GW2.

Stands to reason there are others out there, particularly in the games that have marketted this concept, who think its an actual thing. Perhaps framing EVE, atleast in part like that in its own presentation, would attract more new players or retain some. Somehow psychologically is more favorable to them, or something.

Not me though. I think the term is nonsense. The existing definitions of PvP and PvE are adequate to define the difference between them and what happens in games without trying to re-invent the wheel just by applying new words to it. But hey, if it helps them to call an apple an orange, and attracts them to a game, why not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gZoOEeX44E&feature=youtu.be

-No Iso-boxing
Good for the general health of the game
Bad for the number of sub numbers.
-Recent Changes to "attract new players"
Bad for veteran players
Under-performing/failing in gathering and retaining new players.
-Skill Que Change:
Great for the game and makes sense
terrible for number of sub count at any one time.

As for the second point: This is the serious problem. CCP has to bring back the veterans and get rid of this idea that the game needs to be easier to attract new players! This game grew from obscurity by being one of the most hardcore games on the market. It needs to stay that way!

Conclusion-

Is EVE dying? That depends on who you ask. If you ask me I would say that it needs to go to the hospital and get a suppository of hardcore injection. For my first year and a half I followed the rules, waited for my skill training, grinding up standing so one day I could have a reward that only someone who ground standings for weeks and weeks on end would be able to refine at my station at 100%. I accomplished this goal after many months. Then what does ccp do? They change standing rules so that I only get 35% refine. Is that fair NO it is not fair.


Then I wished to own a high sec POS. For that you need 8.0 faction standing which is a b(#@ to get. So much grinding had to be done. I was at 7.5 standing with Amarr when CCP again made putting up a POS in high sec standing free. You know why? It is because new players didn't want to do the grind. Basically they were not willing to pay to do the grind. Then so it was, that putting a high sec POS is free.

This cascaded into spiral as there was no longer a need to put a high sec POS because now everyone can access research from day one. Now everyone can produce T1 ships at near perfect efficiency, now why bother producing t1 ships on zero to negative margin when EVERYONE can produce them anyways. The answer leave it up to the null cats and pay Jita for your ships.

Don't even get me started on Jump clones. Yeah I understand that probably 98% of people got their jump clones from their buddy buddy Rorqual pilots. I know I did. So this is a problem right? You should be able to get it at a station but the faction standing is a huge grind. Is that really a good mechanic; not really. What does CCP do? Do they LOWER faction standing requirements to a reasonable level? NO! They do a typical CCP over reaction. Instead of stepping down the requirement by say 2-3 faction standing, they simply ELIMINATE faction standing requirement. Is that fair to people like our good friends who actually did the work. HELL NO! I would agree with a few points less of faction standing. Step it down over the course of a few patches. Gauge the player base, see what they say when you lower it from 8.0-6.0. Don't just rip all that hard work away overnight. That is typical CCP shock treatment they put on everything.

I liked that the universe was a cold dark place where very powerful individuals (who had put in the time ) controlled everything. It makes the new player strive to be like those powerful ones. But now there is really nothing to strive for. Just buy a bunch of PLEX and you can have your very own POS from day one or do your research in a HS station whatever.

Now if you ask my buddy who only played a month ago.. he absolutely loves that he can research blueprints siting, "the barrier to entry has been broken." When I tell him that he can put up a high sec pos, he probably will do that. When I say hey train infomorph psychology to 4 and get your self some jump clones he will say. OK Terraj that sounds like good advice because your a vet and you know what your talking about. He knows not the old ways and enjoys the game in its current form. The problem is they are not attracting those kinds of players fast enough, and they are loosing the old players very quickly. This is all due to CCP's recent "shock treatment therapy' they have been applying to the game recently.

So now we are in a pickle with the vets yearning for the old way (and quiting in droves) and the new players embracing the new way (rather slowly). What are we to do as a community?

The answer is to put up your new shiny Citadel, name it _____'s Fanciful Palace of Awesome, play the game and suck it up. Find the new way to dominate New Eden. If your leaving the game, make sure to contract me all your stuff. You can address it to Terraj Oknatis. I'm sure Goons have already set up a mail box for their quitting members (and donations) for this exact situation.

I strive to be online the day the servers go dark. It will be a very sad day, but hopefully it will not come too soon because I still have goals I want to accomplish in game, and after 3 years of play i haven't accomplished them all yet. After that I have high hopes for Star Citizen, and hell maybe even Elite Dangerous if they ever get around to embracing high risk permanent ship loss.

Standings for jump clones... Let's just say that the system is so messed up that even in Red Federation there was one corporation we had high enough standings that members could use that corp for ones. 4000+ members, no real restrictions on standing, yet we still had access to one npc corp for jump clones. That is a pretty good sign that the standing mechanics for jump clones was messed up and fairly unneeded.

Oh what a Pandora's Box you've opened.

What are these? As a new player, I feel like I should have seen them advertised, but nothing comes to mind.

Missions are one of the crappiest parts of this game, and so many unrelated things were tied into running them. You are interested in PVP and want an empty jumpclone to screw around in null with? Go run missions. You are an industrialist looking to set up your very own space factory? Go run missions. It was stupid.



But can he defend his POS? That would be an actual accomplishment. Grinding through dumb NPC rats in hisec over and over is no accomplishment.



I doubt there are many vets yearning for CCP to force them to run missions in hisec some more.

This sort of content is troublesome.

Highlight of this thread.

My personal view is the Copenhagen Interpretation is some sort of Kierkegaardian plot.