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Decline in numbers... starting to turn into RAPID!!!

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King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4101 - 2016-01-19 15:35:55 UTC  |  Edited by: King Aires
baltec1 wrote:
King Aires wrote:

And buffs to ganking? How about the 700dps Catalyst,


More expensive than the old brutix, battleships, thrasher etc that we used to use.




Brutix hull was never ever less than 17mil, so the hull alone costs more than the entire Catalyst fitted today. And the old Brutix actually didn't do as much DPS either.

And since when is expense a factor, you want to make the claim that Jihadswarm, Hulkageddon and Code. do/did anything for profit?


Now I know you are full of it.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#4102 - 2016-01-19 15:39:02 UTC
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4103 - 2016-01-19 15:41:01 UTC
King Aires wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
King Aires wrote:

And buffs to ganking? How about the 700dps Catalyst,


More expensive than the old brutix, battleships, thrasher etc that we used to use.




Brutix hull was never ever less than 17mil, so the hull alone costs more than the entire Catalyst fitted today. And the old Brutix actually didn't do as much DPS either.

And since when is expense a factor, you want to make the claim that Jihadswarm, Hulkageddon and Code. do/did anything for profit?


Now I know you are full of it.


But you had insurance payout on ship lost to concord back then.
King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4104 - 2016-01-19 15:41:38 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Someone please change the title of this topic to:

Lengthy debacles followed by "Prove it" post.



Every thread that Tippia posts in turns into a "prove it" thread

Every thread Baltec1 posts in turns into a "They made Eve too hard for me" thread

and every thread Jenn posts in turns into a "You should leave because you don't like the game" thread.
King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4105 - 2016-01-19 15:42:49 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
King Aires wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
King Aires wrote:

And buffs to ganking? How about the 700dps Catalyst,


More expensive than the old brutix, battleships, thrasher etc that we used to use.




Brutix hull was never ever less than 17mil, so the hull alone costs more than the entire Catalyst fitted today. And the old Brutix actually didn't do as much DPS either.

And since when is expense a factor, you want to make the claim that Jihadswarm, Hulkageddon and Code. do/did anything for profit?


Now I know you are full of it.


But you had insurance payout on ship lost to concord back then.



And that changes that you can T2 fit a Catalyst for less than 10 mil? Insurance - fit for the old Brutix put you around 10mil as well for less dps.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4106 - 2016-01-19 15:43:57 UTC
King Aires wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
King Aires wrote:

And buffs to ganking? How about the 700dps Catalyst,


More expensive than the old brutix, battleships, thrasher etc that we used to use.




Brutix hull was never ever less than 17mil, so the hull alone costs more than the entire Catalyst fitted today. And the old Brutix actually didn't do as much DPS either.

And since when is expense a factor, you want to make the claim that Jihadswarm, Hulkageddon and Code. do/did anything for profit?


Now I know you are full of it.


The vast bulk of ganking is done for profit.

As for the brutix, back then you could fully insure gank ships and at the time you could buy a brutix for less than the insurance paid out for it. You could also buy battleships in bulk, insure them and then self destruct them for a profit. So yea, the brutix gank boats were cheaper than todays t2 fitted catalysts.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#4107 - 2016-01-19 15:50:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
OK prove it.

Go out and turn a profit ganking. Afterall if its super easy these days you should have no trouble.
Why? I don't generally gank for anything other than a laugh and don't plan on doing so just to prove to you something you already know. Burn Warr Akini alone got what, 85b isk in loot from 585b in kills? And that's run by miniluv, a ganking group that proudly stands on it's self-sufficiency. They can through gaking afford all of the ships to do the ganking and to actually pay people on top.

At the end of the day this is all you wiggling out of trying to prove your original statement.

baltec1 wrote:
They are famous because they slaughtered everything in sight and are the only corp in history to have CCP step in and break up their gatecamps by scattering them to the far corners of EVE. Let that sink in, they killed so much CCP had to step in. And you honestly think today is just as violent? You have no idea how bad it could be back then. Fast forwards to 2011-2012. CFC groups managed to kill so many ice miners that they shut down all ice mining in highsec for a month, several times.
The only reason CCP don't step in now is because the game has evovled and CCP wouldn't want to do that. Funnily enough though that proves that back then CCP thought that it was bad enough for the game for them to have to step in. And fast forward to 2015, burn amarr + burn warr akini, 1.4 trillion isk ganked in what, 5 or 6 days total? Let that sink in.

baltec1 wrote:
None of those things have happened for years now. The freighter ganking of today is nothing compared to what used to happen in the past. We don't even have hulkageddon anymore. The EVE of today is a much more boring place and if anything is responsible for the drop in numbers its that.
lol, even though the modern day ganking events are bigger? And mate, prove it. Prove that ganking has gone down, prove that the (as of yet unproven) reduction in ganking caused the drop in players. Please by all means prove that the drop in players is due to gankers ragequitting over their gameplay being made more challenging.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#4108 - 2016-01-19 15:57:08 UTC
King Aires wrote:
And that changes that you can T2 fit a Catalyst for less than 10 mil? Insurance - fit for the old Brutix put you around 10mil as well for less dps.
Technically a T2 catalyst costs less than that too if you get your looter to loot it, since the hull only costs a mil, and with good bulk shopping you can drop a couple of mil off the total.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4109 - 2016-01-19 15:57:56 UTC
I like how everybody is trying to pin the losses of subs on their pet reason instead of thinking that maybe everybody is partially right and every single one of those reasons caused some losses.

200+ pages of everyone thinking they have the only good answer...
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#4110 - 2016-01-19 15:59:21 UTC
its amazing how they can publicly announce a ganking event with months of time to prepare and still get that many kills...it is really amazing how ignorant people can be, its not like they hide the fact they are shutting down a system yet so many people still just go about there daily routine without a care then moan when they die during a publicly announced killing event. its not the game or the gankers fault its the victims fault.

you just dont drive a bentley through a riot.

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4111 - 2016-01-19 15:59:25 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
I like how everybody is trying to pin the losses of subs on their pet reason instead of thinking that maybe everybody is partially right and every single one of those reasons caused some losses.

200+ pages of everyone thinking they have the only good answer...



Or you can't read at all.

I have been asking for 3 pages now why we are even arguing about ganking since it is completely off topic.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#4112 - 2016-01-19 16:08:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
King Aires wrote:


and every thread Jenn posts in turns into a "You should leave because you don't like the game" thread.


I have told you no such thing ever. Whether you are here or not is on you.

I am questioning the sanity of such actions. It's like i told my ex-sister in law, I'm not telling you you can't date that guy (because you're grown, I'm not your legal guardian lol), I'm telling you that you KNOW he's a d-bag, you had better options, and the unhappiness you are experiencing right now (that you are crying on your sister's and my shoulders about) is 100% your own doing...because you knew he was a d-bag.

You know you don't like a huge segment of the EVE online community. You know you don't like CCP and their "typical actions". You know you have an issue with major parts of EVE's gameplay. But you still pay CCP some form of payment, and you are still here.

What makes it irritating is that you can seem to point out the flaws in others, but the big huge glaring insanity that is you gets ignored . Some how those of us who actually like the game we are paying for are the weird ones to you and your type...
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#4113 - 2016-01-19 16:14:15 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I have told you no such thing ever. Whether you are here or not is on you.

I am questioning the sanity of such actions.
What you do is you try to twist it so it seems that the person either has to leave or be labelled "stupid" or "insane" as you've already done in this thread. The reality is that people can like a game but still have problems with it and you either can't comprehend this or pretend you can't to push your narrative. Either way the fault lies with you.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#4114 - 2016-01-19 16:58:32 UTC
page 206 of the no you, no you, no you, no you, thread.

can't see why this ranting bullshite thread is still alive, i've seen threads locked for less. devs must have a bet on this one Roll
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4115 - 2016-01-19 17:01:10 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
page 206 of the no you, no you, no you, no you, thread.

can't see why this ranting bullshite thread is still alive, i've seen threads locked for less. devs must have a bet on this one Roll


Well this thread still being open has the benefit of keeping all this discussion in that thread. If anything, it's a honey pot and it's doing a pretty good job at it.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4116 - 2016-01-19 17:21:05 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Why?


You keep on demanding ever more evidence from us, its time for you to back what you say because to date you have never backed up anything you have ever said in any thread you have posted in.





baltec1 wrote:
The only reason CCP don't step in now is because the game has evovled and CCP wouldn't want to do that. Funnily enough though that proves that back then CCP thought that it was bad enough for the game for them to have to step in. And fast forward to 2015, burn amarr + burn warr akini, 1.4 trillion isk ganked in what, 5 or 6 days total? Let that sink in.


So you agree then, it was far more dangerous back then.

baltec1 wrote:
lol, even though the modern day ganking events are bigger?


We have one, and even that one is getting to be expensive to run. The last one was funded almost entirely on one mans back.


Lucas Kell wrote:
And mate, prove it.

There it is again.

Lucas Kell wrote:

Prove that ganking has gone down, prove that the (as of yet unproven) reduction in ganking caused the drop in players. Please by all means prove that the drop in players is due to gankers ragequitting over their gameplay being made more challenging.

I didnt say people are leaving because of less ganking I said its more likely people left because EVE became boring.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#4117 - 2016-01-19 17:26:30 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
You keep on demanding ever more evidence from us, its time for you to back what you say because to date you have never backed up anything you have ever said in any thread you have posted in.
I'm not demanding more evidence, I'm demanding the same evidence. You made a claim and you have yet to actually prove it. No matter how much you spin it that remains the case.

baltec1 wrote:
So you agree then, it was far more dangerous back then.
No, most certainly not.

baltec1 wrote:
We have one, and even that one is getting to be expensive to run. The last one was funded almost entirely on one mans back.
It was primarily funded through miniluv which is constantly telling people how it's self-funded. It's mainly T1 catalysts, and Burn Warr Akini alone raked in 85b in loot, more than enough to pay for the losses.

(I love how you're so bad at forum-fu you quoted me but attributed it to yourself by the way)


baltec1 wrote:
I didnt say people are leaving because of less ganking I said its more likely people left because EVE became boring.
And you claim it became boring because there is less ganking (which you have yet to prove) ergo you are saying people are leaving because there is less ganking.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4118 - 2016-01-19 17:52:29 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
I'm not demanding more evidence, I'm demanding the same evidence. You made a claim and you have yet to actually prove it. No matter how much you spin it that remains the case.


We provided it, barge kills, the list I gave you showing the mechanics that have changed that reduced the number of targets and made ganking harder, the age of M0o when CCP flet the need to step in, the fact that mining interdictions don't happen anymore, the fact that hulkageddon doesn't happen any more. But naturally you don't want these you want other things that are are not posted yet.

Lucas Kell wrote:
No, most certainly not.
But you just pointed out what I was saying, CCP flet the need to step in back then and not at any point in the last few years. That alone shows it was more dangerous.

Lucas Kell wrote:
It was primarily funded through miniluv which is
Funded by one guy. Remember the corp you are talking to here.


Lucas Kell wrote:
And you claim it became boring because there is less ganking (which you have yet to prove) ergo you are saying people are leaving because there is less ganking.


I never said it was all down to a lack of ganking. Removal of jetcan shenanigans, stagnation of null, ship imbalances, PvE imbalances, ganking nerfs. All of it has resulted in a much less active game.
Alex Drakonov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4119 - 2016-01-19 18:34:26 UTC
Rework HS pvp mechanics, suicide ganks on miners and silly war decs hurt new players without adding any fun for both parties.

Oh and those fitting skills... almost as bad as the old learning skills
Admiral Bill Adama
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4120 - 2016-01-19 18:42:11 UTC
We need to come together as a community and demand new content, lets face the facts we haven't gotten any thing truly new in a long time.

1. More " types " of space. Not just High, Low, Null, W-space..

2. Add more to the trades, look at exploration it's become unbearably dry... Make regions of space that we can truly explore on our own for fun and via agents.

3. New factions.

4. More Trades.

5. Planet warfare, allow corps to to build bases on planets similar to a station that they can walk around in with there fellow corp mates. Allow other corps to lay siege to them using new weapons and ships devoted to it etc..

CCP you can do so much with this game it's not even funny stop worrying about pissing certain people off, more then half your player base has quit and one of the major reasons is the lack of new content.