EVE General Discussion

As soon as these systems are added, the two major power blocs (N3/PL and CFC) will fight tooth and nail for each system. Early land rushers will find themselves assaulted with a major armada of experienced players.
Once the dust is settled, nullsec will go back to being in a stagnant, cold war state.

And here's the other thing you do - conflate popularity and success with quality. Some people want more from their gaming than your average casual themepark fetch quest. EVE gives us that. I hate to break it to you though, popularity and success =/= quality product. People are sheep and follow crowds. Take Justin Bieber for example.

And for the record, as percentages go, WoW's decline of late has been much more rapid than EVE's has ever been.

Stop with the butt hurt.

I am not arguing the virtues of Indie vs Conglomerate or flashy vs content. I am simply saying that WoW is 1 year younger than Eve, still has 20x the subscribers and has made over 100 Million people happy at some point or another. You can't compare that kind of success.

Has Eve been a success for you? for me? sure. But on the grand scale of video gaming, Eve is a small fry that has massive overhead and small profit margins.

What you are saying is as much an indictment on why Eve is old, outdated and dying as it is a praise of its resilience.

Yeah because other franchises that grew exponentially busted... in the meantime the companies behind them made massive profits and in the case of WoW, Elite, GTA and others they are still profiting.

The only drama here is a cry baby that is throwing a tantrum because I just called his precious Eve unsuccessful.

The very wrong opinions of someone so oblivious to the meaning of success don't bother me in the slightest. I find it amusing and ironic though when verbiage such as 'butthurt' and 'cry baby' are used to accuse someone of 'throwing a tantrum' when they've been nothing but civil with you. Who's really throwing the tantrum here?

See, let me show you something. This is the mentality of the mass market. He starts his description of his interest in Star Citizen with "SC has over 100,000 supporters and its not even out yet." He's never even played it but because it's so 'popular' he's suddenly a devoted fan. That's the mass market. Lots of idiots following other idiots to the next shiny thing.

There is another market, over here, with people that aren't so easy to distract with shiny things, that want quality gaming. We're a market that companies like Blizzard and EA and even Chris Roberts' promises, despite having been a Wing Commander fan from the very first iteration of the series myself, simply cannot impress so easily just with 'popularity' alone. We go where our taste takes us, and those games can't cater to us. This one can, and has done so for over a decade.

See, I don't buy a specific model of car just because it's advertised on TV or is very popular. I go looking around and see what I like. I test drive it, I get a working knowledge of its handling dynamics, its potential upkeep costs. You know, research. I garner an understanding of it before I throw my money away on something that might later turn out to be not quite what I was hoping for. I do the same with games. And the only time I've been unsatisfied with a game is when I HAVE just dove in to something new and shiny and popular. See, I don't like GTA, I don't like WoW. I do like Elite, but if I'm being objective, I can't call it a quality gaming experience.

For the record, if you're going to tell me that Elite's been successful, well, I hate to break it to you, but you just called EVE successful as well, because Elite's playerbase at launch grew at about the same rate EVE's did. Elite's then started dropping off rather rapidly when it was discovered to be a very shallow lake where content is concerned - lots of surface area to get around on but about as shallow as a puddle.

WOW have more to lose so of course they will lose more. That doesn't mean they are doing worse.

And let's face it, EVE is like junk food. The quality isn't that good but it's entertaining enough to keep about to play between real games.

Elite sold like 500k copies in the first 6 months. EVE did not. As for content, like EVE it's a sandbox, it's just newer so will take time to build up, just like EVE did. But a goo thing is that they don't back off of big changes like landing on planets when players start screaming "BUT IT'S ABOUT SPACE!", while CCP pretty much buckle to the whims of even small numbers of complainers.

I mean let's face it, EVE players only pretend to be loyal. If CCP were to say "We want to bring out WiS", many of the "loyal players" that EVE has would start shooting monuments and unsubscribing. They have no faith in CCP and no loyalty to the game unless it does what they want. That's a dangerous place to be stuck with MMOs changing at such a rapid pace.

And the thing is, CCP is a business, so it's in their best interest to go after a mass market. I see them throwing everything into Valkyrie now that it's set as a rift bundled game and guaranteed sales and leaving EVE behind. EVE is too old and the playerbase is too stuck in it's ways for them to be able to turn it about without mass protests, so I'd not be surprised if development just tapered off into mainly balances and bug fixes and they just maintained it until it stopped generating enough income.

EVE fans aren't loyal? I'd say that's not true. Feeling super entitled... well that is something more accurate. That's why they protest and do stupid **** all the time. They are loyal. They are devoted. The loud minority are the only ones who go out of their way to yell and scream like children when CCP does something they are in disagreement with. When players react en masse, it't not because people hate CCP (though Im sure some people hate CCP because they are bitter at everything anyway) when they react negatively, it's because we're a strange bunch that are passionate about out Spreadsheets Online. If we hated CCP so much this game woulda been 6ft under years ago.

Your conclusions are lies to further your "I want to mine and mission alone in my 0 tax corp. After years of playing I know so little on the game I still can't fit my ships properly. I like it that way, LEAVE ME ALONE. I want more alone time in this MMO. Who cares if this is THE one MMO where solo gameplay doesn't work too well. I wants it to change, for my personal reasons" cause.

That is why plex was a blessing and a curse. It allows for people to not "pay" for the game.

So you end up with rich bitter vets who would elsewise have left ages ago but now can burn through their fortunes and complain about what this game has become.


And @ those saying Eve is different because we don't have instant gratification players like other MMOs, all I can say is lulz

The player base today has never been so needy and instant-action addicted as they are now.