Player Features and Ideas Discussion

WTF are you talking about.
What passive income is there in FW and how does it make it broken?

Jeebus
So much knee jerking.

Passive rewards are there to allow sov owners autonomy - something no other gameplay apart from POSs and PI allow. The luxury of not having to worry about rewards and hence concentrate on other everyday activities would make chasing trollceptors like a casual trip to the fridge to get a snack. It's not enjoyable, but if nothing else is going on and I don't need to crab, might as well make an elaborate trap for the guy who keeps sending the notifications my way... meanwhile my wallet fattens.

But you'd obviously rather **** and whine and draw parallels previously unheard of, because well, they are a product of herd mentality, sourced by those who are the loudest but with the least clue.

And how do you want to get necessary T2 moon minerals that you cannot grab from local moons into your remote area, such as deep Drone Lands, Esoteria, Stain, Tenal, Fountain, Omist? Via 5LY jumps in your JF? Via wormholes? People can't even be asked to protect miners in Null sec or to rat to get indexes up or patrol their space with nothing happening, many people can't even be asked to scan systems for sites/WHs regularly without any compensation or report WHs finds. And you expect them to produce locally?

In my opinion, a lot more things need to change than just cutting JF range to 5 LY. This useless clusterwide war over minerals needs to turn into a regional war over minerals. Further reads in my thread to the topic. I, however, also agree with linked post from a Nulli Secunda guy in my thread about the problems of local production and logistics, in particular for smaller entities.

The problem is that it doesn't solve the issue which is that chasing around evasion fitted ships for hours on end is not fun.

Even with stepping stones, you cannot get into the very deep areas. Unless you make it a trail like in these Japanese gardens.

These two arguments are not mutually exclusive or contradicting. The two areas of gameplay ARE both boring. FW DOES earn income, but Sov wands DOESN'T. Where is the comprehension failure?

I drew a parallel from trollceptors to farmers, not to "FW". I chase farmers and it used to be painful until I figured out how to do it.

There is nothing to be confused about. The principle is simple - if I was required to commit less time towards making financial capital, I would commit it to something else. If FW had a form of passive income, I'd chase farmers all day. Except it wouldn't work in FW, but not because it's inherently broken. FW access is public, so random people would monopolise on other people's effort.

But it can work in SOV, because contrast to FW, Corps and Alliances determine who becomes a member and therefore who gets to enjoy the passive source of wealth.

I still don't understand why people chase ceptors. You just undock an alt when they have been capturing for 50 minutes and ECM them.

No chasing implied.

After testing the new timers to capture nodes I think that this solution is not good enough.

24 minutes is a short time for the effort to raise a system to ADM 6, if you are willing to defend it.

At the same time, is a lot of time to sit idle as attacker if nobody shows up to defend.

I think that the best system would be one where each cycle is faster than the precedent, so if you are hacking a node unmolested it shouldn't take more than 10 minutes to cap a node, for an ADM 6 system, as attacker. And also a reduced time for the defender.

This would also favour T2 entosis greatly, rewarding the investment in those expensive modules.

We playing THAT game?

Maybe your confusion is causing a loop that breeds your falsehood about me being confused.

Stop being confused bro.

We already went over ECM and its at best just a boring at worst useless.

We want more fights, more roaming gangs, more content. Your solution is just as boring as chasing off the ceptor.

If you troll the trollceptors, they will stop coming. And that's what you will get if in ten minutes you destroy more than an hour investment in the part of the trollceptor. Weaponizing of boredom, I know, but time is in the part of the defender, not the attacker, so I don't see the need to nerf the ceptors. Let the children something to play with.

The enemy coming in force to create some content is a completely different matter. And that's really the problem. It seems there is a lot of people in EVE that doesn't wont to fight.

And, as the strongest group in EVE, it is unprovable that somebody comes to invade, so the way to go is the Provi way.