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Live Events regarding Defense of empires and a EAM
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Lerner
#1 - 2015-08-16 20:30:47 UTC
These events with defending a specific AI empire or similar events should be preceded by a E.A.M. (Emergency Action Message).

As a suggestion. A opt in or out feature using a Emergency Action Message in a window similar to what is used to inform playrs of shut downs would be a good way to add to the roll play and better way communicate with the player base who enjoy such events as the Drifter invasions. You could also send via mail however broadcasting in a box with a style of text and quick info would add to the experience roll players like.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-08-17 00:29:37 UTC
I think this is an absolutely fantastic idea. It is something that I would hope is easily implementable along side the mailing list.

Essentially, like a mailing list, a person can set up a notification channel as part of a mailing list, channel, or separate. Just like the channels and mailing lists, operators can be set.

As such, this keeps it in player control for the live events and prevents specific player favoritism

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#3 - 2015-08-17 00:57:31 UTC
The Devs did/do have a Live Events twitter that served this purpose.
Mailing lists are limited in size in the game. Though there is the FCORD one.
Lerner
#4 - 2015-08-17 04:50:13 UTC
A in game notification is what I am talking about. The most recent event did not last very long and not many players made it in time unless you was with in a few jumps even then most had no clue one happened until after the fact.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-08-17 05:00:20 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
The Devs did/do have a Live Events twitter that served this purpose.
Mailing lists are limited in size in the game. Though there is the FCORD one.


Problem is it forces people to use twitter. I dislike twitter and don't use it. Also in game, I don't watch said things so wouldn't help even if it was a text message direct to my phone

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#6 - 2015-08-17 12:42:27 UTC
Nope
So every one know somethings going to happen before it happens(without any effort)... insted small amount of people that put at least minimal effort
I dislike "live events" in max TiDi

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Citizen of Solitude
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#7 - 2015-08-17 13:06:23 UTC
Currently, the best early warning system ingame is the channel 'Live Events' Be there and you should be able to catch most events on time.

Regarding warning people about Live events, there's been many systems in use over the years, from no warning (sansha events) to ingame warnings well ahead of time (The Assault on the Pirate research stations) They all had their pro & cons. In the end, there will be no system that satisfies everyone.

Using advanced warning means alot of very organized people involved (aka: nullsec folks) which in turn means the event will be over fast when it involves shooting (like the current Drifter attacks)

Short time warnings actually give the most chance for less organized people (highsec) to witness & participate in the events.

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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-08-17 17:45:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Reese
Seems like people have interperated the OP as to meaning a long duration warning, such as, in 18 hours, we expect an attack, etc.

I viewed it as different. The warnings I thought that OP (and myself) as a visible and unique warning separate from a chat window or mail which for most players have a delay. If I am running a mission, or moving through low/null exploring and such, I tend to miss mails and channel conversations for a bit.

However if a player channel, such as the Live Events channel, or the FCORD mailing list had option of emergency broadcasts, this would be a more visible queue such as a screen popup like scramble notifications or a press Okay button. Even more, this can bring in destinations or other info. Most importantly, it is only to those who want to be actively involved and already are since part of the channel or mailing list meaning they would be getting it regardless. Just now in a more interactive means. I also think it would be more exciting as well since it adds that URGENCY!!! which can be applies for anything from CTA or a "spur of moment mining op. Whatever a corp or group has important.

Example of non live event usage. Mining corp out and about, big one going. They have their scout which has alert roles. They can alert fleet that a squad of gank ships is entering system. When I ran a corp that had mining ops, we would be chatting about stuff all the time with only a few people specializing in watch duty. A good popup would be nice to have. If fleets had alert broadcasts, it would need to be manually assigned from the fleet boss/commanders to prevent troll abuse in large fleets.

In comparison to real world, those in the american midwest know what I am talking about. Driving around, see bad weather coming. Eve is always bad weather and we get storms all the time in the prairies. They could just passively mention on radio when they get time or just send a text message. Nope, loud sirens in some cities with NOAA having ability to cut into all broadcast stations. Phones can have alerts that preclude all other things phone is doing. When expletive is going down, it would be nice to have an active warning for those wanting. Not only from a gameplay point of view, but if you get an imminent emergency broadcast, you will psychologically get psyched up and as such, be more into it and that just makes the game more exciting.

Jandice Ymladris wrote:

Using advanced warning means alot of very organized people involved (aka: nullsec folks) which in turn means the event will be over fast when it involves shooting (like the current Drifter attacks)


is a very good point. From the roleplayer's perspective, this would detract from gameplay as well. Nullsec folks and large organizations who are actually having a vested interest in the events would have their ships and clones staged with a plan for rapid deployment.

During Sansha, I had this. I had multiple command ships and jump clones staged in key locations for rapid fleet formations and jump clones. When something happened, it allowed me to immediately be in an ideal staging system. I would fleet randoms, but we would still be one of the first on field. Some cases we had advanced notice of systems, but no specifics.

A long warning will just mean that people who are not interested in it aside from killing randoms will come out, change outcome with no value and not indicative of the actual story. However, if the most advanced warning is "ship launching today" that means they they do have somewhat of a vested interest because it would mean they are bringing their combat ships out to all events making them part of the world.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Lerner
#9 - 2015-08-18 03:54:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Lerner
Here is what a EAM actually is. When you read this you get the idea what the reason behind a EAM is, and why they are only used for actual Emergency events or to test the readiness of the military forces.

Yes I know this information comes from Wiki ,however Ive comfirmed this general reference with a very reliable source who was in the U.S. Airforce and stationed on a SAC base.



"In the U.S. military's strategic nuclear weapon command and control system, an Emergency Action Message (EAM) is a preformatted message that directs nuclear-capable forces to execute specific Major Attack Options (MAOs) or Limited Attack Options (LAOs) in a nuclear war. Individual countries or specific regions may be included or withheld in the EAM, as specified in the Single Integrated Operational Plan (SIOP)."


Now lets convert the definition to Eve.

In the D.E.D. military's strategic command and control system, an Emergency Action Message (EAM) is a preformatted message that directs Capsule Pilots, Corporations , Alliances and Militia's to execute specific Major Attack Options (MAOs) or Limited Attack Options (LAOs) in a Incursion or assault . Individual Pilots specific Corporations ,Alliances and Militias may be included or withheld in the EAM, as specified in the Single Integrated Operational Plan (SIOP). You could substitute the D.E.D. with any specific empire.

Now when I meant preceding I meant with in a few minutes as in 15 minutes or less.

The assualt in Safizone is a prime example as to just who would receive the EAM and who wouldn't. The following would automatically receive the EAM. The Amarr Militia and caldari militia. Loyalists Such as Alliances ,Corperations or Individual pilots could opt in or out. A feature to only include specific regions or a specific Empire's space would also help thin out those not interested or to far away. Obviously opposing Militias would not receive the EAM.
Gramps Pljugi
Black Rabbits
Black Rabbit.
#10 - 2015-08-22 06:02:57 UTC
Id love to see a notification of an event a few hours before it starts so i can prepare and get into the location.. Sounds good
+1 OP
Lerner
#11 - 2015-08-25 03:45:02 UTC
Gramps Pljugi wrote:
Id love to see a notification of an event a few hours before it starts so i can prepare and get into the location.. Sounds good
+1 OP


I am saying like a few minutes not more then 10 minutes or a mere few seconds to a minute. Emergency means it has started...... or is about to start. Why is this concept so hard for people to grasp? This is not like a Hurricane warning this is more like a tornado warning as in get your arse moving now!.








Jasmine Cheryu
Bearers of Impurism
#12 - 2015-08-25 20:35:26 UTC
Lerner wrote:
Gramps Pljugi wrote:
Id love to see a notification of an event a few hours before it starts so i can prepare and get into the location.. Sounds good
+1 OP


I am saying like a few minutes not more then 10 minutes or a mere few seconds to a minute. Emergency means it has started...... or is about to start. Why is this concept so hard for people to grasp? This is not like a Hurricane warning this is more like a tornado warning as in get your arse moving now!.







I agree with OP.. i don't understand why the concept was so difficult to understand

1: opt in/out option of notification (that appear in the middle of the screen such as the shutdown warning message before downtime) [also the ability to smash ENTER button on keyboard to get rid of the notication quickly would be appealing to those currently in combat and struggling/concentrating]
2: Notification tells capsuleers about XXX attack from YYY forces in ZZZ system
3: As soon as notification has shown, event starts
4: ???
5: why is this so hard to understand people.. Roll
Lerner
#13 - 2015-08-29 16:17:37 UTC
Would be nice to have a DEV chime in and give their thoughts on the idea. We shouldn't have to be out of game to learn of a event and...... The live events chat room is the last place I want to monitor when I'm busy watching local for hostiles.
Ferrucio Surge
The Bag Cartel
#14 - 2015-09-12 06:00:20 UTC
LAO? MAO? SIOP? Are all of these terms really in use?
Lerner
#15 - 2015-09-13 04:40:28 UTC
Ferrucio Surge wrote:
LAO? MAO? SIOP? Are all of these terms really in use?



Yes these terms are still in use.