EVE General Discussion

Finally, someone that makes sense. Looking at Large combat seagoing vessels from the past, they often are armed with a multitude of different calibers. From large anti-ship/artillery cannons down to anti-air guns and anything in between for varying ranges. The RHM launcher is all fine and dandy, but what about ships that can't fit launchers? Either additional high slots get provided to equip "secondary armament" or sig radius for large guns get lowered.

On the subject of T3BS, yeah, no. I'd rather have a second marauder in every faction, utilizing that faction's secondary weapon system. (Missile/drone for Amarr, Hybrid for Caldari, Drone for Gallente, Missile for Minmatar). You have these amazing battleship hulls that rarely get used, the Abaddon is by far my favorite model in the game, so why not use them?

About T3C vs BS: The only change that could be done to T3Cs is give them a "tactical mode" system like the dessies, where offensive mode boosts offensive subsystems, defensive boosts defensive and so on. This would entail A LOT of balancing work and is, I feel, unlikely to happen. On the other hand, changing battleships should be easier.

Another thing battleships would need is some protection from "lesser" ships, as those often do the same amount of raw dps or more in some cases. I'd suggest "bouncing". Give battleships a chance to "bounce" shots, like in the old days tanks would bounce smaller shells (before Sabot/shaped charge became a thing). I mean, I can hardly imagine a rocket doing any damage to such a thick armor unless it strikes a particular weak spot.

Just my 2 cents.

Perfectly well said. People ignore the past all the time, in this case they ignore WHY BSs made it to their current state compared to their 'solopwnmobile' beginnings. If you give battleships all the advantages people ask for, nothing else would be flown. It would be funny as hell if CCP nerfed the ishtar , and 10 years from now some clueless nub starts a thread about how Ishtars Suck and CCP really needs to buff them and sentry drones lol. It would be like Deja Vu.


As it is, players who are actually good can take single battleship hull and slaughter entire fleets of smaller ships even when those smaller ships are flown well. I wrote a lengthy post in another (train wreck) BS thread about my experience with another game and supposedly under used game items.

The TL;DR there is that if you buff something that is supposedly "underused" but that is useable by good players already, you create unbalanced monsters that those same good players can use to bludgeon the entire rest of the game world with. Imagine the Big Miker type solo BS pilot with one of these 'improved' battleships. it would be madness.

BSs are right where they need to be save maybe some minor tweaking like the Tempest just received. Doing more than that would be stupid.

Much sadness was had 

I was definitely hoping the increased drifter threat would lead to the development of new Tech II battleships based on the Abaddon/Rokh/Hyperion/Maelstrom and that this was the kick off for that. I guess not. One day maybe?

The BIGGEST issue with battleships is their natural prey doesnt exist anymore. That prey being battlecruisers. BS are not intended to be fit with RHML with rigors, TP, and webs as their normal loadout. That was created by others (including myself) to counter the masses of cruisers in a hull that can take the abuse while also offering utility that cannot be matched.

What BS offer is more than an EHP sponge. They offer utility and range combined with higher EHP. You cannot get heavy neuts on any other ship (except maybe a bastardized curse). Heavy neuts are the bane of most cruisers.

Using my typhoon FI as an example. Combining 2 heavy neuts with 900-1200dps and 130k EHP plus an MJD that obliterates t3d and most cruisers/HACs all the while being very hard to hold down is a powerful tool. Id say the MJD and heavy neuts alone are what make BS very useful.

If you were to fix battlecruisers so they arent utter **** (see my sig), except in niche' scenarios, then BS will have an alternate role, other than frontline fleet ship.

So right now, we have a huge influx of cruisers.

Cruisers are countered by more cruisers. This is bad. Battlecruisers should counter cruisers, but they dont, at least not in the current meta. It should be something like this:

Frigate = Frigate
destroyer > frigate
cruiser > destroyer
BC > cruiser <--- is broken causing many issues
BS > BC

The ship food chain is broken. Fix it, and then BS will be in a better position. Some tweaking of BS may be needed. An overhaul on all BS or point defense silliness is not.

Well, now, there's another idea: rebalance them toward the massive versatility of the Dominix and the Armageddon. Give them all multiple utility highs and/or overlapping turret and missile hardpoints and rebalance the damage output around fewer turrets. Essentially, they'd be like baby Marauders, without bastion mode.

8 hi slot smartbombing BS > many frigs

*Any* frig?
Specific example vs general design.

100% this! thats exactly what i miss in nearly every f... spaceship game!

Thats the main problem of bc / bs and pls guys tell me how can a handgun destroy a tank? Ok thats a strange comparison but that would make a balance between small ships and the big ones!

Such innovative creative thinking would be a first from CCP in a long while.

Depends. Need some capacitor to go to warp.