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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#141 - 2015-07-20 07:08:34 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Can you explain to me about the sub-set of such people who make a big thing about tears?

Look, my RL really sucks and when I come home from cleaning the toilets at the train station all I am really looking forward to is making someone cry over his exploding pixel spaceship. Bathing in the tears of carebears who lost his first ship and his expensive pod is revitalizing my crippled soul.

Was that the answer you where looking for? Do you feel better now?

Actually I just enjoy to play the evil trouble maker and it is interesting how people react because they somehow think they have to mark the hero and protect the miners. There are just a lot of interesting thing happening if you steer up some trouble. It's some really interesting game play, because it is all based on other players and they are very unpredictable to a certain degree. It's not just about killing miners, at least for me. Killing miners is just the start...


Your answer is incorrect, though I do believe that you are a member of that sub-set.

By the way I do not protect miners, because they can get into a Skiff or Procurer and fit a tank, so you only cull the weak and foolish.

And my actions have a foundation in my own self-interest, does that confuse you?

I am in no way talking about you. I never even met you ingame. It seams you don't even grasp half of the stuff we are doing.


We don't often cross over in terms of TZ, though I have seen you around a few times, mostly you are docked up afk when I am active. In terms of grasping half the stuff that you are doing, if you say so.

You are definitely a member of that sub-set.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#142 - 2015-07-20 07:44:44 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:

Well that was your suggestion and not mine, so you are winding yourself up. I was simply asking why, as I said I have my own view of why, but its certainly not what you are suggesting. As for getting you angry, I don't care one iota for your feelings, does that help?


Dracvlad wrote:

And now a sulky hissy fit, you made an assumption about my question and then got angry about it, I told you that your assumption was way off base, so yes the debate is over from you, well you were just hot air, I was interested from the poster I replied to because that poster replied in an open way in another thread. But if that angers you then there you go, not my issue.


Dracvlad wrote:


Your answer is incorrect, though I do believe that you are a member of that sub-set.

By the way I do not protect miners, because they can get into a Skiff or Procurer and fit a tank, so you only cull the weak and foolish.

And my actions have a foundation in my own self-interest, does that confuse you?


Dracvlad wrote:

I was once told by an incompetent half-wit with an ego problem that I was a nasty horrible person, and I said thanks as coming from him it was a compliment. The issue was that he was an incompetent person who was fired for being incompetent two weeks later. I laughed.. and I laugh now!


Dracvlad wrote:

We don't often cross over in terms of TZ, though I have seen you around a few times, mostly you are docked up afk when I am active. In terms of grasping half the stuff that you are doing, if you say so.

You are definitely a member of that sub-set.


For someone who scored their first CODE. Catalyst about 4 months ago you sure do seem quite full of yourself.

You don't protect miners? That Falcon thou..

You've played as a "bad guy" in other video games? I doubt it.


Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#143 - 2015-07-20 08:10:13 UTC
I once white knighted against a group of Russian gankers operating in Lanngisi who had another Marmite in their group because he was scaring off my targets (this was eventually dealt with) but in the mean while I decided to kill suspects and what not but found they got quite a bit more upset when the target survived. I took it a step further and fitted 2 large rep ospreys and followed their scout about with my own.

It was quite rewarding with the Ruskie tears (google translate probably made it funnier then it was originally) until I saved a praticular RNI bearing it up like a boss with a blinged fit. I brought the ospreys in behind the gankers and as they lit him up I saved him too. He dipped low into structure but my heated reps kept him up just. After the agressors were all popped did I get a thank you? No instead this pilot decided to lock up my ospreys who were now aligning out and start firing... After warping off I tried to convo him and was blocked... Ok he must have thought I was a ganker so I explained to him in local with the other osprey and he blocked it too... If only I had let him shoot the other osprey too because I would have had my own RNI mail from the ungrateful bear who never even left the mission pocket even with 30% structure. This is why I do not white knight much as the bears for the most part are not worth saving

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#144 - 2015-07-20 08:20:03 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
I once white knighted against a group of Russian gankers operating in Lanngisi who had another Marmite in their group because he was scaring off my targets (this was eventually dealt with) but in the mean while I decided to kill suspects and what not but found they got quite a bit more upset when the target survived. I took it a step further and fitted 2 large rep ospreys and followed their scout about with my own.

It was quite rewarding with the Ruskie tears (google translate probably made it funnier then it was originally) until I saved a praticular RNI bearing it up like a boss with a blinged fit. I brought the ospreys in behind the gankers and as they lit him up I saved him too. He dipped low into structure but my heated reps kept him up just. After the agressors were all popped did I get a thank you? No instead this pilot decided to lock up my ospreys who were now aligning out and start firing... After warping off I tried to convo him and was blocked... Ok he must have thought I was a ganker so I explained to him in local with the other osprey and he blocked it too... If only I had let him shoot the other osprey too because I would have had my own RNI mail from the ungrateful bear who never even left the mission pocket even with 30% structure. This is why I do not white knight much as the bears for the most part are not worth saving


wish marmite would white knight me, im too scared to come to highsec because of you guys :(

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#145 - 2015-07-20 08:29:04 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
I once white knighted against a group of Russian gankers operating in Lanngisi who had another Marmite in their group because he was scaring off my targets (this was eventually dealt with) but in the mean while I decided to kill suspects and what not but found they got quite a bit more upset when the target survived. I took it a step further and fitted 2 large rep ospreys and followed their scout about with my own.

It was quite rewarding with the Ruskie tears (google translate probably made it funnier then it was originally) until I saved a praticular RNI bearing it up like a boss with a blinged fit. I brought the ospreys in behind the gankers and as they lit him up I saved him too. He dipped low into structure but my heated reps kept him up just. After the agressors were all popped did I get a thank you? No instead this pilot decided to lock up my ospreys who were now aligning out and start firing... After warping off I tried to convo him and was blocked... Ok he must have thought I was a ganker so I explained to him in local with the other osprey and he blocked it too... If only I had let him shoot the other osprey too because I would have had my own RNI mail from the ungrateful bear who never even left the mission pocket even with 30% structure. This is why I do not white knight much as the bears for the most part are not worth saving


wish marmite would white knight me, im too scared to come to highsec because of you guys :(

Doesn't pay well enough. Killing people with kill rights and mailing the owner is far more profitable then saving people from immediate destruction. Go figure

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#146 - 2015-07-20 08:50:32 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
I once white knighted against a group of Russian gankers operating in Lanngisi who had another Marmite in their group because he was scaring off my targets (this was eventually dealt with) but in the mean while I decided to kill suspects and what not but found they got quite a bit more upset when the target survived. I took it a step further and fitted 2 large rep ospreys and followed their scout about with my own.

It was quite rewarding with the Ruskie tears (google translate probably made it funnier then it was originally) until I saved a praticular RNI bearing it up like a boss with a blinged fit. I brought the ospreys in behind the gankers and as they lit him up I saved him too. He dipped low into structure but my heated reps kept him up just. After the agressors were all popped did I get a thank you? No instead this pilot decided to lock up my ospreys who were now aligning out and start firing... After warping off I tried to convo him and was blocked... Ok he must have thought I was a ganker so I explained to him in local with the other osprey and he blocked it too... If only I had let him shoot the other osprey too because I would have had my own RNI mail from the ungrateful bear who never even left the mission pocket even with 30% structure. This is why I do not white knight much as the bears for the most part are not worth saving


wish marmite would white knight me, im too scared to come to highsec because of you guys :(

Doesn't pay well enough. Killing people with kill rights and mailing the owner is far more profitable then saving people from immediate destruction. Go figure


you kill people with killrights and mail the owner and get isk for it? :O

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#147 - 2015-07-20 08:51:43 UTC
Capt Starfox wrote:
For someone who scored their first CODE. Catalyst about 4 months ago you sure do seem quite full of yourself.

You don't protect miners? That Falcon thou..

You've played as a "bad guy" in other video games? I doubt it.



So you don't believe in watching how the enemy operates before jumping in, and in any case kills are only denoting that you shot something, yesterday I saved a freighter from Globby and I was FC'ing the fleet that saved it, did not get a kill then either....

Miners have the ability to jump into a Skiff that can be tanked so well that they will not be bothered unless they are someone that the gankers really want to kill.

I played a PBM game called the Hunting in the 80's, was a brutal game and there is a tragedy around it, you know nothing ...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#148 - 2015-07-20 09:15:24 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
I once white knighted against a group of Russian gankers operating in Lanngisi who had another Marmite in their group because he was scaring off my targets (this was eventually dealt with) but in the mean while I decided to kill suspects and what not but found they got quite a bit more upset when the target survived. I took it a step further and fitted 2 large rep ospreys and followed their scout about with my own.

It was quite rewarding with the Ruskie tears (google translate probably made it funnier then it was originally) until I saved a praticular RNI bearing it up like a boss with a blinged fit. I brought the ospreys in behind the gankers and as they lit him up I saved him too. He dipped low into structure but my heated reps kept him up just. After the agressors were all popped did I get a thank you? No instead this pilot decided to lock up my ospreys who were now aligning out and start firing... After warping off I tried to convo him and was blocked... Ok he must have thought I was a ganker so I explained to him in local with the other osprey and he blocked it too... If only I had let him shoot the other osprey too because I would have had my own RNI mail from the ungrateful bear who never even left the mission pocket even with 30% structure. This is why I do not white knight much as the bears for the most part are not worth saving


Yeah some people are just so ungrateful, but you had fun doing it, which is the main thing. What you should do is send him a bill for services rendered as you are now a Merc and if he does not pay war dec him...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#149 - 2015-07-20 09:17:08 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
I once white knighted against a group of Russian gankers operating in Lanngisi who had another Marmite in their group because he was scaring off my targets (this was eventually dealt with) but in the mean while I decided to kill suspects and what not but found they got quite a bit more upset when the target survived. I took it a step further and fitted 2 large rep ospreys and followed their scout about with my own.

It was quite rewarding with the Ruskie tears (google translate probably made it funnier then it was originally) until I saved a praticular RNI bearing it up like a boss with a blinged fit. I brought the ospreys in behind the gankers and as they lit him up I saved him too. He dipped low into structure but my heated reps kept him up just. After the agressors were all popped did I get a thank you? No instead this pilot decided to lock up my ospreys who were now aligning out and start firing... After warping off I tried to convo him and was blocked... Ok he must have thought I was a ganker so I explained to him in local with the other osprey and he blocked it too... If only I had let him shoot the other osprey too because I would have had my own RNI mail from the ungrateful bear who never even left the mission pocket even with 30% structure. This is why I do not white knight much as the bears for the most part are not worth saving


Yeah some people are just so ungrateful, but you had fun doing it, which is the main thing. What you should do is send him a bill for services rendered as you are now a Merc and if he does not pay war dec him...

I killed it later by can flipping him since he was willing to shoot my ospreys

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#150 - 2015-07-20 09:21:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Noragen Neirfallas
Lan Wang wrote:


you kill people with killrights and mail the owner and get isk for it? :O


'Dear koiso Phoenix,
I am writing to inform you that on 15-04-2015 The Marmite Collective, and more specifiically The Somalian Coast Guard Authority took vengence for you against Gorst 93 for his illegal pirate actions against you. We were able to catch him in the act of procuring funds for more pirating using his pride and joy Kill: Gorst 93 (Raven). We were also able to collect his corpse Kill: Gorst 93 (Capsule) and are in the process of auctioning it for the purpose of funding the war against other such pirates. We were pleased to have been able to do this for you and look forward to doing so in the future.

If you would be so kind as to reply back with what this criminal did to deserve our justice it would be greatly appreciated.

PS any Tips for this service are greatly appreciated but not required. After all justice is it's own reward :)'

after sending this I got 200mil. It's only memorable as the donation was worth more then the kill mail was Blink

Edit: It's worth noting that this killright was 0 isk and he only had one so I also took the next 20 mins of my free time between moving things around to explain how kill rights work and why I was allowed to shoot him.

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#151 - 2015-07-20 10:04:37 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
I once white knighted against a group of Russian gankers operating in Lanngisi who had another Marmite in their group because he was scaring off my targets (this was eventually dealt with) but in the mean while I decided to kill suspects and what not but found they got quite a bit more upset when the target survived. I took it a step further and fitted 2 large rep ospreys and followed their scout about with my own.

It was quite rewarding with the Ruskie tears (google translate probably made it funnier then it was originally) until I saved a praticular RNI bearing it up like a boss with a blinged fit. I brought the ospreys in behind the gankers and as they lit him up I saved him too. He dipped low into structure but my heated reps kept him up just. After the agressors were all popped did I get a thank you? No instead this pilot decided to lock up my ospreys who were now aligning out and start firing... After warping off I tried to convo him and was blocked... Ok he must have thought I was a ganker so I explained to him in local with the other osprey and he blocked it too... If only I had let him shoot the other osprey too because I would have had my own RNI mail from the ungrateful bear who never even left the mission pocket even with 30% structure. This is why I do not white knight much as the bears for the most part are not worth saving


Yeah some people are just so ungrateful, but you had fun doing it, which is the main thing. What you should do is send him a bill for services rendered as you are now a Merc and if he does not pay war dec him...

I killed it later by can flipping him since he was willing to shoot my ospreys


Well he deserved it, nice one!!!!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Requimaryon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2015-07-20 11:35:18 UTC
If hi-sec gankers are bullies like it is said, just STOP talking to/about them. Bullies are attention starved people. They do it because they are flawed, have a need to fill a void but they don't know any way other than doing harm to get attention. So if you really think that way, again I repeat, STOP talking to/about them on the forums or in the game, just ignore their existance and the problem will go away instantly.

If by any chance they are reasonable people just having fun shooting other people who thinks they are safe just because they are in hi-sec, well then this will not make them quit ganking you. Because they are having fun, probably more than you.



I have nothing against hi-sec ganking, especially if it is done for profit. My only complaint is there is not many things that can go wrong for gankers. I mean everybody seems to talk about EVE being risky all around including hi-sec etc, but for gankers, they don't have to risk much and there is no good mechanic that will make them sweat, outsmart the opponent or whatever. There is no "fight" between the ganker and the ganked. I don't know what would you implement to make it happen, I have no idea, but that is the only think that bothers me.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#153 - 2015-07-20 11:49:30 UTC
carebears are bullies, they are always posting these hate threads on the forums and trying to hurt peoples feelings, its not really nice, gankers have feelings too you know

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#154 - 2015-07-20 11:53:32 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
More people need to just play this in the background while they play eve


Was hoping for "No Rest for the Wicked", was pleasantly surprised. Would click again.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Lady Areola Fappington
#155 - 2015-07-20 12:16:35 UTC
Requimaryon wrote:
If hi-sec gankers are bullies like it is said, just STOP talking to/about them. Bullies are attention starved people. They do it because they are flawed, have a need to fill a void but they don't know any way other than doing harm to get attention. So if you really think that way, again I repeat, STOP talking to/about them on the forums or in the game, just ignore their existance and the problem will go away instantly.

If by any chance they are reasonable people just having fun shooting other people who thinks they are safe just because they are in hi-sec, well then this will not make them quit ganking you. Because they are having fun, probably more than you.



I have nothing against hi-sec ganking, especially if it is done for profit. My only complaint is there is not many things that can go wrong for gankers. I mean everybody seems to talk about EVE being risky all around including hi-sec etc, but for gankers, they don't have to risk much and there is no good mechanic that will make them sweat, outsmart the opponent or whatever. There is no "fight" between the ganker and the ganked. I don't know what would you implement to make it happen, I have no idea, but that is the only think that bothers me.


The fight vs a ganker starts well before antimatter starts flying. The easiest way to defeat a ganker is to keep an eye on local, and local space around your ship. Unknown person starts cuddling up next to your barge, dock. Bunch of blinky Reds pop up in local, dock.

This is how a miner beats gankers. If the gankers are on grid, it's too late.

The problem is, running away doesn't fulfill the "good guy fight back and defeats baddies " trope that people have come to expect from games.

A ganker isn't playing the same game most eve players are playing, so to speak. You cannot defeat them by killing the ships, as the ships are a disposable item anyway. You can't ISK war them, as the vast majority don't care about losing spacebux to get a kill.

The sole motivation for a ganker is to get a kill. You deny the kill (and tears), then you've denied them the one thing they wanted. The most effective way to do that is to be ATK, paying attention, and docking up when baddies arrive.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#156 - 2015-07-20 12:20:43 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
carebears are bullies, they are always posting these hate threads on the forums and trying to hurt peoples feelings, its not really nice, gankers have feelings too you know

You have no idea how bad carebears actually are until you pop one and then get a mail/convo from one and the entire thing is just a continuous stream of death threats, racial and homophobic slurs and accusations about you being a child molester. Mission bears are by far the worst when it comes to doing that kind of thing

Miners are usually all sad and intent on playing the victim maybe with some indignant anger thrown in. Mission bears just totally lose their **** and turn into some kind of terrible hate volcano.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#157 - 2015-07-20 12:52:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
The sole motivation for a ganker is to get a kill. You deny the kill (and tears), then you've denied them the one thing they wanted. The most effective way to do that is to be ATK, paying attention, and docking up when baddies arrive.
In other words, follow The Code.

The ganker-gankee relationship is the classic predator vs. prey one. The rabbit doesn't "win" by whipping out a katana and chopping the oncoming wolf into pieces. No, that rabbit wins by either never being seen by that wolf, evolving into a porcupine (some how - ok, this part of the analogy is a little weak) too tough for the wolf to bite, or just dashing into his burrow at the last second with his carrot leaving the wolf howling in frustration outside.

You can easily beat the gankers. I know it may not feel like it, but every time you dock safely with your ore or cargo you have beaten them. Unlike the rabbit though, you can also go out and spoil their efforts too. The punitive highsec mechanics are such that if you know where the gankers are operating it is trivial to beat them if you so desire. It probably isn't worth the effort most of the time to save ungrateful AFK players, but if you want to there is a whole community of Anti-Gankers that do this in their spare time.

But as the Lady says, the best way to beat them is to not let them catch you in the first place, and if they do, save your tears and just congratulate them on their win and move on. Then just let it go and be more careful in the future, or start plotting your delicious in-game revenge against them.

The 8 Golden Rules of Eve

Why Do They Gank?
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#158 - 2015-07-20 13:10:53 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
carebears are bullies, they are always posting these hate threads on the forums and trying to hurt peoples feelings, its not really nice, gankers have feelings too you know

You have no idea how bad carebears actually are until you pop one and then get a mail/convo from one and the entire thing is just a continuous stream of death threats, racial and homophobic slurs and accusations about you being a child molester. Mission bears are by far the worst when it comes to doing that kind of thing

Miners are usually all sad and intent on playing the victim maybe with some indignant anger thrown in. Mission bears just totally lose their **** and turn into some kind of terrible hate volcano.

To date I have not had a death threat (other then a death threat against my in game character in a very rp angry mail against Noragen which was extreamly well thought out and I would post here if I didn't delete it while clearing out my mail box for #reasons). I have had angry mails calling me every age from 5-12 and claiming to be supported by my parents and living in a subterranean structure. I've been told that I suck at PvP and if I don't reimburse *victim* immediately my whole alliance will be hell camped out of existence because they were a major goonswarm director. Then they will give my name as the reason to the alliance until they remove me from the alliance. Actually I think I have killed every single goonswarm director ALT in the game especially in my time in w-space when we killed null bears attempting to utilize out wormhole as a highway to highsec without paying the toll (a good fight). But a real life death threat is something I'm yet to experience for playing a game and I can milk tears with the best of them when it seems appropriate. I need to kill more mission bears...

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#159 - 2015-07-20 13:13:07 UTC
rp mails make me happy, i always send them to people who shoot my mtu's i forget about :)

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#160 - 2015-07-20 13:15:17 UTC
If you haven't had a dude formerly in a golem threaten to kill/**** you and/or your family while simultaneously telling you that you are a psychopath and child molester then you are delinquent on your ninja-ing and I suggest you go to osmon, simela or sheroo and get to probing.