Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Q: CCP, why you do this?
A: We want to show you that goonswarm is a complete failure and just consists of brainless puppets

Except that's not true. Instead all the bigger fights have probes in the FC position and fleet warp to a fresh result every 10s or use personal bm's that the FC set up beforehand.

What this system intends to do is force fleets to warp to players instead, making scouts a valuable asset once again, but slowing down the constant ongrid warping that we see today.

And this was exactly the one, "extra" interaction I pointed out. The fact is this "extra" interaction can be done now. So this does nothing, additionally, in the future there is literally no reason for the fc not to do this, because once said warp in is on grid you can warp it off and ignore for the duration of fleet fight (read alt of fc.)

If you say so, considering you literally only need to look at one at a time. Not to mention this precise thing is already done quite frequently, by solo pilots, in small gangs, etc. These people seem to get by just fine, dual boxing a prober and a main, it's certainly not rocket science.

So other than allowing a single fleet member to do nothing but fly a probe ship, warp to a target and wait for everyone else to show up, can you come up with any other reasons why this can be considered a "positive" change; one that betters Eve as a whole, instead of creating an unnecessary extra step and removing (in-system) ease of fleet movements for everyone.

You assume this is the end of the changes to fleet mechanics. The goal of this nerf is to get fleets to rely upon more than just the FC and it does that. CCP are doing the smart thing here and are staggering the changes so they don't all land at once.

I suppose in the literal sense the word "fix" hasn't been used in the op, so appologies for the misuse of the word. But making changes with a vague purpose that hinders more than it helps is equally asinine.



Guess what genius? We're playing a science fiction game, nice argument though.



Hey guess what else, this guy already has the tools to see probes on scan, and make a decision as to what he wants to do, flee or fight. Arguing that blowing other people up is unneccesary in a game where a very large part of it, is about exactly that, is ridiculous. It is entirely necessary, in many situations. Particularly among the group that seems so vocal in this thread that this is supposedly a "positive" change. If the null blocs had no need to blow people up, there would be no need for fleets, fleet warp, thousands of alliance members, coalitions, or any of that. We'd have an extraordinarily stale game on our hands, or rather it would be an entirely different game.

Edit: and in reply to you Baltec1, I'm no so foolish to think that they do not have other changes down the pipe as well (they've eluded to as much in this thread already.) This one change though is completely ridiculous, and not one person can give any real reason, any GOOD reason for this change to happen. On the other hand there's 60+ pages of arguments as to why this shouldn't happen. So no, CCP aren't doing the smart thing here - the smart thing would be to say: Ok here's our "roadmap" for fleet changes (they seem to like roadmaps for other game changes.) So IF there is any real good reason why this change should happen in the first place, perhaps those of us who don't work at CCP and aren't limited by NDA can be let it in on the big secret thing that this change is presumably intended to help/hinder.

I give this proposal a -1.

I see it ******* off the AFK multi-account miners further which is a good thing probably. I didn't actually watch the o7 broadcast but can you tell us what this proposal is actually trying to fix Also if you don't like people fleeting up why don't you just remove that part of the game along with all the leadership skills etc

I does appear that current problems such as the need to iterate sentry drones and now this derive from PvP elements of the game mainly. Is there a way to fix problems within PvP without destroying the remaining parts of the game.

Yeah but fixing something but destroying everything else ehm where did i saw this once ohhh wait here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ9Xk0Lln5Y

No. We have 60 pages of people explaining why this change negatively affects their game when their game is not the intended target. We also have 60 pages of you (and pretty much you alone) telling them to htfu.

Should they also remove warp to zero? After all, you only need a scout to go ahead and burn to the gate first. This is a similar argument - it would increase "player involvement" in fleets and be a complete pita for everyone else.

so you could not handle the pressure? why that?