Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I get that you guys wants to change a lot of aspects of the game, but you guys need to slow down a bit. If anything shows us how unorganized and scatter brained you guys are at CCP it's your balancing team. Nerfing ships you literally just came out with just shows the lack of forethought and lack of understanding of your own games mechanics and meta.

I recommend you focus on the new SOV mechanics and fixing and balancing that before you decide to change more aspects of your games mechanics, slow down a bit and think things through a bit, because it just seems like you are a bunch of kids who implement whatever sounds cool at the moment.

I appreciate you guys wanting to work hard and change a lot of flawed aspects, but good things take time, and real change should come slowly.

Worry about Fozziesov first

Thats correct.


A cloaky prober can't get into position so the FC can fleet warp to him/her?


This is a really good point. Awesome post in general. I don't have an answer for you just yet, but we're working on it.


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Both of these points are solid. Corbexx brought these up while we where talking to the CSM about the change.
Regarding slowing down the speed of sites, given the potential profitability of wormhole space, we don't consider this a major negative.
Regarding movement fleets though WH space, we have something we're working on for this. That said some of the feedback we've received is mixed. Reducing power projection though WH space (for both WH residence & passes though) not seen as all bad.


You can still squad warp bombers, you'll just need somone in position on the enemy fleet first. I don't want to rule your suggestion out, its a good one. We'll be monitoring the effect this change has on bombers closely =)

If we got a desalination company involved with this thread, we could probably help ease California's water issues.

There is so much wrong with this post it makes me want to cry that your opinion might be considered somehow relevant.

In no situation would this ever be a problem for people who know what they're doing. If you are caught literally with your pants down, then I still have 0 sympathy because the other guys won with scouting.

Bombers problem is not how fast they get on grid. Every other ship can do so just as fast/faster with a great scanner.

I feel you've hit an issue that a small group have screamed for.

But come on.

This hits bombers...and everything else.

Can we not just fix bombs?

Except that it won't. It will make FC's warp their probing alt in first, and then fleet warp their entire fleet to said alt. All it does is put the prober at a slightly higher risk of getting decloaked & killed. Nothing for the line member changes.

But hey, while we're removing features of the game that can be easily worked around, let's just go way back & take out 'warp to zero' for gates...

This is unnecessarily problematic for warping a fleet onto a target who is on a station, and thus you cannot get a covops remotely near without decloaking him. I think you've only considered a narrow range of fleet warp scenarios and are making people that are already very safe even safer.

This is an absolutely fantastic change. I've been campaigning for reductions in the ease of mobility of fleets--primarily via fleet warp--for years now, and this is a great change that certainly puts more responsibility on fleet members for mobility and scouts who can get into position for fleets.

Now for an even better change, remove fleet warp altogether.

The problem with this response is you are basically telling us 'You must use a T3 Cruiser for probing' now. Since they are the only Cov Ops & Probe capable ships with a chance of surviving any kind of combat. Combat probing already was relegated to T3's and Alts because it required too many sacrifices to make sense putting a ship on grid if it wasn't a T3.

Can I suggest as an alternative that a probe ship can broadcast a 'warp to' on a probe results that INDIVIDUAL FLEET MEMBERS can use to warp to. Bolded for emphasis as I'm not suggesting that fleet warp still be capable, but that say I was the prober, I could broadcast a warp to and this would allow anyone to use that probe result individually.

This could also be extended to bookmarks, sigs etc. People would still have to warp themselves achieving greater hands on play for individual fleet members, but without doubling the time required to do anything and forcing certain fits on the initial warp in pilots. I.E. I have a personal bookmark to my POS. I am in a NPSI fleet, and I've given them today's password. I broadcast a 'warp to' on the bookmark, and the fleet then warps there one by one. This allows one guy to stuff up, only press align and the cloaky shadowing our fleet jumps him as he's left alone on grid since the FC can't just warp everyone with one button.

But your current system of requiring one person to warp first then the fleet can follow is overly cumbersome, and if Fleet Warp ability is to be nerfed, you need to give something back to make up for that.

This is going to be pretty negative in wormholes, as it takes quite a while for corp bookmarks to propagate. This won't affect low/null sec gate movements at all, which is where I suspect a majority of the action takes place anyway. What will it achieve?

For a corp, the bookmarks are essentially public locations, especially in wormholes.