Player Features and Ideas Discussion

+1 for CCP Larrikin for acknowledging the feedback.
-1 for Fozzie who seems to be hiding in the corner.

This line of thinking is so tiresome.

I bet if CCP said wormholes would be unaffected by this change, you all would move the goal post immediately.

Probably because Larrikin is behind this change and not Fozzie. But hey, don't let me get in the way of a good narrative.

So the fleets that run dedicated scanners controlled as non-alt chars are going to be more effective via voice communications with their FC, trying to translate all of the events on-grid to the FC, trying to get a decent warp-in for the FC, all of this and more, will be more effective than the FC using an alt and being on-grid themselves to see what's happening, the movements, and set up a warp-in?

Information is lost in communication. The most effective fleets will be the ones whose scanning and warp-ins are provided by an alt of the FC simply because there will be no delay, no miscommunication, no missed information, etc.

Nevermind that there's still nothing addressing how heavily this will impact small gangs. Or micro gangs. Or whatever single-digit groups are being called this month.

Being a dedicated scout in a small gang is boring. Being forced to use T3 destroyers and cruisers, despite the 100 other ships in the game, is boring. This change does almost nothing to affect the large fleets who already ran multiple scouts, but it has a major impact on small gangs who will be forced into two types of ships (so everyone can scan) or will be forced to make one of their members (a significant percentage of their gang) to act as a dedicated scanner to sit there with their thumbs up their ass while the rest of the gang acts.

Preemptive "Put your scanner in a T3 destroyer or cruiser so they can join in the battle" response: **** that. Once again, why force people into one of two classes of ships when they had access to 100 other ships previously. Nevermind the fact that they're going to be solo against another gang for a fair chunk of time.

The change affects everyone, but it doesn't affect everyone equally.

Not sure how many times this has been mentioned before but one of the biggest pros of fleet warp is warping with the speed of a slowest fleet member, a PVP or PVE fleet in WH will have to align and warp to bookmark often not having a scout in place beforehand especially in PVP, warping individually is not an option as smaller ships will land on grid and die before larger ones can come to their aid, this gets worse the longer the warp.
Not being able to warp to corp bookmarks is very bad in my opinion, this removes a full part of the game where people could be at advantage by having these and being able to react quickly to what is goingo on on the grid.
Now reacting quickly will be out of the window as to do anything you will need to put one member of the fleet in its place before warping rest.
You have done such a great job placing bookmarks in space so we can see them on grid, now you are removing the biggest benefit of it, by not allowing us to react quickly.
Those that were prepared and had bookmarks around the grid could use it now, it will be all about the numbers, those with more scouts doted around the grid will be at an advantage.

I can see more bad from this then good especially for small fleet roams and wormhole space.

Regarding the bolded part, I think he means enabling an FC to fleet warp to a corporation bookmark while still disallowing FC fleet warps to personal bookmarks. If an FC fleet warps to a corporation bookmark, it will still warp members of the fleet not in that corporation. Because they do take longer to update, it would be useful for FCs that wish to warp their fleet directly to Jump Bridges or to insta-dock locations on stations while being entirely useless for combat.

We had a NPSI wormhole fleet a while back where we lost a ton of people along the chain because they couldn't keep up, people didn't want to sit around on the wormhole to provide the warp in for too long, etc. What happened to those people? They got left out of the content.

1. get a cov ops prober
2. get cov ops in perfect position in plex, target, warp in, whatever
3. fleet warp to cov. op.
4. profit

There is no ??? here. It's straight forward and simple.

Then you still have "warp with slowest member of fleet", and you have even better positioning than just warping at range to some probe result. You have eyes on target. You can send dictor ahead of main fleet to bubble up before fleet lands.

Overall, good change. Much less of a change than jump changes and upcoming sov changes.

This change also makes multi-language fleets more difficult.

With the amount of stuff that could use some tweaking and repairing to better enhance the game I would have to say this should be a low priority on the totem pole. It brings myself to question what steps you came from to get this on your deployment radar and why this would come as a desire for change. You have mapping issues, Alliance book marking shares, and a laundry list more of stuff that could be focused on other then... in perspective finding a way to add a toilet to an automobile because no one has one. Judging from your overall changes that you typically make you should spend more time looking over game issues and work on them to harmonize your gamers experience then chasing non-essentials.


just my 2 isk...