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Carnyx release - General feedback

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Constantin Makanen
#1921 - 2015-06-21 16:47:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Constantin Makanen
Cleanse Serce wrote:
They did listen to the feedback and the new DevBlog proves it : they're working on 4 changes.
If your feedback is to roll back, that's not a valid feedback, and i'm glad they don't listen to this.



The truth is, ever since the first changes the problems were about habits and not improvements.
Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
#1922 - 2015-06-21 16:47:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Cleanse Serce
Steijn wrote:
I, like many others, use the UI at 90% scaling. CCP have admitted this doesnt currently work, and may never work properly in the future. So why should i stay?


Then be happy :

Quote:
Next Steps

The new icons brought major change to the way in-space entities are represented in EVE’s UI, but we’ve also identified several areas of improvement thanks to your feedback. Here are the top items on our list to tackle:



Improve Scaling issues

We’re looking at way to make the icons more useable at 90% scale in the short term while a longer-term technical solution to UI scaling is being developed.


This is a quote from new DevBlog : http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/bracket-icon-feedback/?_ga=1.9560368.424513548.1429377739

Not only will they work on that 90% scale, but we might even be able to personaliaze the scale, maybe with a slidebar between various pourcentages.

Constantin Makanen wrote:
The truth is, the problems are about habits and not improvements.


I know right. :/
Steijn
Quay Industries
#1923 - 2015-06-21 16:47:50 UTC
Cleanse Serce wrote:
Alea wrote:
If CCP don't listen to the feedback that they asked for in the fist place quitting is the only option left to do if the game is now unplayable for those people, Eve is heading in a direction that I don't like so I'm going to play other games instead and hope in the future the old style icons make a comeback, if not that's OK too as I had allot of fun the past 12 years.


They did listen to the feedback and the new DevBlog proves it : they're working on 4 changes.
If your feedback is to roll back, that's not a valid feedback, and i'm glad they don't listen to this.


If they listened to the SiSi feedback, why did they release the icons onto TQ?
Steijn
Quay Industries
#1924 - 2015-06-21 16:49:20 UTC
Constantin Makanen wrote:
Cleanse Serce wrote:
They did listen to the feedback and the new DevBlog proves it : they're working on 4 changes.
If your feedback is to roll back, that's not a valid feedback, and i'm glad they don't listen to this.



The truth is, the problems are about habits and not improvements.


so not been able to see an overview clearly is a habit and not the fault of the icons? Lol
Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
#1925 - 2015-06-21 16:50:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Cleanse Serce
Steijn wrote:
If they listened to the SiSi feedback, why did they release the icons onto TQ?


That's the only valid remark imo.
Yes, that was NOT professional AT ALL, to release something that's not finished/polished.
But it's done...
There's no reason to cry about it and yelling "that's unforgivable blabla i quit..." that's a spoiled kid attitude to be honest.

They did a error yes, blame them for THAT error, not the icones.

Steijn wrote:
so not been able to see an overview clearly is a habit and not the fault of the icons? Lol


I am seeing perfectly with the new icone.
Now what ?
Why i am perfectly ok with new icones, and you're not ?
Constantin Makanen
#1926 - 2015-06-21 16:52:46 UTC
Steijn wrote:
I refuse to invest into something that i can no longer play. Its like owning a car but breaking your legs, what use is it anymore?


I am sure, its not that bad. If its really that hard, maybe you should play the new tut. . :)
Constantin Makanen
#1927 - 2015-06-21 16:54:37 UTC
Steijn wrote:
[quote=Constantin Makanen]so not been able to see an overview clearly is a habit and not the fault of the icons? Lol


There are people who can, so its clearly a habit.
Steijn
Quay Industries
#1928 - 2015-06-21 16:54:57 UTC
Constantin Makanen wrote:
Steijn wrote:
I refuse to invest into something that i can no longer play. Its like owning a car but breaking your legs, what use is it anymore?


I am sure, its not that bad. If its really that hard, maybe you should play the new tut. . :)


ah so making a proper argumentative case FOR the icons now changes into trying to make fun of someone because you cant find any constructive answers to my points. Not trying for a job at CeeCeePee are you?
Sky Marshal
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1929 - 2015-06-21 17:00:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Sky Marshal
Constantin Makanen wrote:
The problem is, EVE has to evolve even more, because ED and Star Citizen are powerful competitors.
We will see, what will happen in the long term.

That CCP try to update EVE to resist to the incoming competitors IS an absolute good thing, but make changes for the sake of change isn't a good way to "evolve" a game... If this word means "remove UI customization", "do NOT give options at any costs", well in short frustrate a part of their players for the pure sake of change instead of contentate nearly everyone (options can do that), then you should use "devolve", it would be closer to the reality.

CCP should consider the UI and visual annoyances as critical aspects who must be modified with care, not like useless sub-part of a game like they actually do. A bad UI will make players leave a game whatever the rich gameplay/story/graphics behind, because it is possible to adapt to the gameplay with effort but a player who suffer some eyes deficiencies and stuff can adapt to bad UI or visual annoyances ONLY if the devs give options for that, but CCP refuse to do so.

Personaly, since the refusal of giving an option to avoid the jumpgate animation, I am willing to discourage new players to try the game... This animation also exists in the game "X:Terran Conflict" (an... EVE-Like game, very close) but there is an option to disable it, because their devs listened to the players.

About Star Citizen, well.. Indeed, he has a serious mediatic advance, it is quoted frequently. Actually, only when there is a big fight then EVE is quoted, but it don't happen all the time... The best WEAPON available to CCP is his players, who can recruit everywhere if they feel satisfied by the game. But it is not by giving a middle-finger to them and refuse to offer options that they will be willing to recruit.

So yes, we will see what will happen in the long term, but I think that EVE starts with some serious disadvantages that CCP created himself because of his own ideology and pride.
Constantin Makanen
#1930 - 2015-06-21 17:02:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Constantin Makanen
Steijn wrote:
ah so making a proper argumentative case FOR the icons now changes into trying to make fun of someone because you cant find any constructive answers to my points.


My point was, still is and always will be. Test it in the long term.
Also its work in progress, so its not the final release, so please stop acting like a brat.

Nobody knows how it will look in the end.

Steijn wrote:
Not trying for a job at CeeCeePee are you?


lol
Thats already the second accusation of this type.
Steijn
Quay Industries
#1931 - 2015-06-21 17:07:30 UTC
Constantin Makanen wrote:
Also its work in progress, so its not the final release, so please stop acting like a brat.


but it WAS the final release you numpty. Its only these 90 pages that have turned it into a work in progress. LolLolLol
Constantin Makanen
#1932 - 2015-06-21 17:12:46 UTC
Sky Marshal wrote:
So yes, we will see what will happen in the long term, but I already think that EVE starts with some serious disadvantages that CCP created himself because of his ideology and pride.



Again, a lot of it is work in progress and I dont think, its about pride. They also have limited manpower.
It seems, that CCP is working on greater changes, with own priorities.

They will not pump everything into one problem. Since CCP already stated, that they are working on solutions, I dont understand this false accusation of "CCP gives us the middle finger".
Steijn
Quay Industries
#1933 - 2015-06-21 17:14:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Steijn
Constantin Makanen wrote:
I dont understand this false accusation of "CCP gives us the middle finger".


then you didnt read the blog.
Constantin Makanen
#1934 - 2015-06-21 17:14:32 UTC
Steijn wrote:

but it WAS the final release you numpty. Its only these 90 pages that have turned it into a work in progress. LolLolLol


So whats the reason for your "CCP doesnt care about our feedback" bitching?
Whats the name of this thread again?
Steijn
Quay Industries
#1935 - 2015-06-21 17:16:07 UTC
Constantin Makanen wrote:
So whats the reason for your "CCP doesnt care about our feedback" bitching?


The SiSi thread on these icons is evidence that they dont.
Constantin Makanen
#1936 - 2015-06-21 17:18:53 UTC
Steijn wrote:
The SiSi thread on these icons is evidence that they dont.


Thats why they ask here for feedback...
Steijn
Quay Industries
#1937 - 2015-06-21 17:20:06 UTC
Constantin Makanen wrote:
Steijn wrote:
The SiSi thread on these icons is evidence that they dont.


Thats why they ask here for feedback...


LolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLol
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1938 - 2015-06-21 17:22:06 UTC
Cleanse Serce wrote:
Alea wrote:
If CCP don't listen to the feedback that they asked for in the fist place quitting is the only option left to do if the game is now unplayable for those people, Eve is heading in a direction that I don't like so I'm going to play other games instead and hope in the future the old style icons make a comeback, if not that's OK too as I had allot of fun the past 12 years.


They did listen to the feedback and the new DevBlog proves it : they're working on 4 changes.
If your feedback is to roll back, that's not a valid feedback, and i'm glad they don't listen to this.


No they didn't listen as they went ahead and put the icons on TQ knowing that they didn't work from the feedback they received from SISI so now CCP is trying to find a way for them to work for everybody and during that period of time I will not continue to give them money.

If they rollback that's good, if they make the old icons an option even better as there are a few who do like them but if the new icons stay I'm not going to play any longer and I'm OK with that as I had a blast since 2003.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Constantin Makanen
#1939 - 2015-06-21 17:22:56 UTC
Steijn wrote:
LolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLol


Spam.

Some defs should mop here.
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1940 - 2015-06-21 17:24:36 UTC
Constantin Makanen wrote:
Alea wrote:
If CCP don't listen to the feedback that they asked for in the fist place quitting is the only option left to do....


If so, bye then.


And you don't want my stuffs.? A 2003 player has accumulated lots and lots of stuffs..

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.