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Kesta De'Kranken
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1901 - 2015-06-21 14:39:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Kesta De'Kranken
21June2015: Subscription Cancelled. I literally just CANNOT SEE to play this game. Cancellation notification was essentially:

1. How DARE you tell me how to ingest information in the game.
2. I have very bad eyesight and the change IS NOT SENSITIVE to people who have bad vision...
3. That saying my Overview was "not properly managed", and that CCP knows best how to display information, is complete BULL!@#$.
4. That CCP Surge's post was stupid insensitive to people with vision problems and is very similar to Metropolitan Edison's response to outrage over Three Mile Island... ie "who are you to question us..."
5. That I pay your salaries (oops..not anymore) and you should have listened to me/us.
6. I'll be back when you admit your mistake AND allow us MULTIPLE CHOICES in how we view information...

I've only been here a year and so don't have much invested in real time and money. ... so I'll go play MechWarrior.

I'm going to sit back and watch the subscription numbers. I'll be very sad to see if people lose their jobs over this, but if you disregard the players in this game, you do so at your peril.

Some men just want to watch the world burn....and drink a beer and eat popcorn while it does so....

It's a tough Universe out there isn't it CCP.....you want to "flip the bird" at me and tell me to "suck it up"???

Well OK BIG MAN... here's me flipping you back...
Constantin Makanen
#1902 - 2015-06-21 15:50:05 UTC
Sky Marshal wrote:
[quote=Rio Bravo]The developers of Star Wars Galaxies didn't care of feedback and did everything they wanted but not what the players wanted, and released dreadful patchs like NGE and others ones. Officially, it was to stop the going down of the subscribers number, but it just made it even worse than before. The CEO of Sony Entertainment made excuses and admitted that they should have listened to the players, but it was after the game was closed...

Let's CCP do that too, maybe this way they will learn to crush their pride, but it will be probably too late. Whatever what you say, the fact is the game has less logged players than before, and it is not a good sign, even for you.



Yeah, lets quit because of some icons, that still are work in progress. If people are ready to quit and kill the whole game, by wishing CCP less money, just because of this, they didnt enjoy the game long before the new icons...

Because thats what a fan of a game does. Quit and kill off the game, so no future improvement will follow.
Some people here are real jerks.
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1903 - 2015-06-21 15:56:26 UTC
Rio Bravo wrote:


Maybe if folks didn't create such drama, and everyone posted without all the emo venom, it wouldn't escalate into people quitting or cutting themselves...


CCP created the drama by utilizing faulty changes to there game, they knew going in that they didn't work from the feedback from SISI, I have no idea why CCP asks for feedback in the first place as they completely ignore the bits that are important to the greater player base.

I quit because the icons don't work for pvp and even in pve they are a PITA, if I was someone like yourself who only forum whores for attention the icons wouldn't have any impact on me as well.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Constantin Makanen
#1904 - 2015-06-21 15:57:07 UTC
Kesta De'Kranken wrote:

2. I have very bad eyesight and the change IS NOT SENSITIVE to people who have bad vision...


Based on your reaction, this must be CCPs fault... lol

Kesta De'Kranken wrote:

6. I'll be back when you admit your mistake AND allow us MULTIPLE CHOICES in how we view information...
I've only been here a year and so don't have much invested in real time and money. ... so I'll go play MechWarrior.


A true benefit to the EVE community...

Kesta De'Kranken wrote:

I'm going to sit back and watch the subscription numbers. I'll be very sad to see if people lose their jobs over this, but if you disregard the players in this game, you do so at your peril.


First quitting the subscription and than be upset about dropping numbers of players. You are a genius.
Steijn
Quay Industries
#1905 - 2015-06-21 16:01:32 UTC
Constantin Makanen wrote:
Sky Marshal wrote:
[quote=Rio Bravo]The developers of Star Wars Galaxies didn't care of feedback and did everything they wanted but not what the players wanted, and released dreadful patchs like NGE and others ones. Officially, it was to stop the going down of the subscribers number, but it just made it even worse than before. The CEO of Sony Entertainment made excuses and admitted that they should have listened to the players, but it was after the game was closed...

Let's CCP do that too, maybe this way they will learn to crush their pride, but it will be probably too late. Whatever what you say, the fact is the game has less logged players than before, and it is not a good sign, even for you.



Yeah, lets quit because of some icons, that still are work in progress. If people are ready to quit and kill the whole game, by wishing CCP less money, just because of this, they didnt enjoy the game long before the new icons...

Because thats what a fan of a game does. Quit and kill off the game, so no future improvement will follow.
Some people here are real jerks.



1 - If i didnt enjoy the game, why have i been here 6 years?

2 - When you say these icons are a work in progress, do you mean that A) CCP released half assed icons on TQ knowing they were not adequate but still went ahead with the release? or B) do you mean CCP ignored all SiSi feedback completely and only decided they were a 'work in progress', when they discovered they had fcked up?
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1906 - 2015-06-21 16:06:21 UTC
Constantin Makanen wrote:
Sky Marshal wrote:
[quote=Rio Bravo]The developers of Star Wars Galaxies didn't care of feedback and did everything they wanted but not what the players wanted, and released dreadful patchs like NGE and others ones. Officially, it was to stop the going down of the subscribers number, but it just made it even worse than before. The CEO of Sony Entertainment made excuses and admitted that they should have listened to the players, but it was after the game was closed...

Let's CCP do that too, maybe this way they will learn to crush their pride, but it will be probably too late. Whatever what you say, the fact is the game has less logged players than before, and it is not a good sign, even for you.



Yeah, lets quit because of some icons, that still are work in progress. If people are ready to quit and kill the whole game, by wishing CCP less money, just because of this, they didnt enjoy the game long before the new icons...

Because thats what a fan of a game does. Quit and kill off the game, so no future improvement will follow.
Some people here are real jerks.


If the icons make the game unplayable I'm not going to continue to shell out RL money to fund three accounts while waiting for them to be rolled back as that is just not going to happen, rollback is the best option and CCP is too hard headed to admit that they screwed up yet again, I have hung around since 2003 and had a blast, I was still having fun until the icons change went into effect, now it's too much work to play so I cut funds on three accounts, if Eve goes down the tubes because of a faulty game change it's not my fault, I gave feedback when the icons went live on SISI and since CCP didn't listen what happens to Eve after that is not my problem.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1907 - 2015-06-21 16:16:07 UTC
Constantin Makanen wrote:
Kesta De'Kranken wrote:

2. I have very bad eyesight and the change IS NOT SENSITIVE to people who have bad vision...


Based on your reaction, this must be CCPs fault... lol

Kesta De'Kranken wrote:

6. I'll be back when you admit your mistake AND allow us MULTIPLE CHOICES in how we view information...
I've only been here a year and so don't have much invested in real time and money. ... so I'll go play MechWarrior.


A true benefit to the EVE community...

Kesta De'Kranken wrote:

I'm going to sit back and watch the subscription numbers. I'll be very sad to see if people lose their jobs over this, but if you disregard the players in this game, you do so at your peril.


First quitting the subscription and than be upset about dropping numbers of players. You are a genius.


If the numbers are dropping (I don't care enough to look to be honest) it may or may not be the fault of the faulty icons as it's summer after all and people like to go outside when it's nice out.

It's not CCPs fault that player has bad eyesight he's just upset that a game change makes Eve unplayable for him and he has a right to cancel his membership because of that, why would someone want to continually pay for a faulty product when the dev blog itself pretty much told us that the faulty icons are here to stay so they will never work for some of it's player base and we chose to move on.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Constantin Makanen
#1908 - 2015-06-21 16:22:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Constantin Makanen
Steijn wrote:
1 - If i didnt enjoy the game, why have i been here 6 years?


If some icons will make you quit, I literally have no clue about what you did in the past six years. Definitely not enjoying the sandbox.

Steijn wrote:
2 - When you say these icons are a work in progress, do you mean that A) CCP released half assed icons on TQ knowing they were not adequate but still went ahead with the release? or B) do you mean CCP ignored all SiSi feedback completely and only decided they were a 'work in progress', when they discovered they had fcked up?


Since I am only a subscriber, I cant really speak for CCP. But I know that they will change or atleast work on the icons, when they will proof himself as unplayable in the long term. If you have problems with them, than you should keep mention it. But by rage quitting the subsc. you will help to bury this game. Than you can play Star Citizen oder ED. Have fun with them.

Alea wrote:

If the icons make the game unplayable I'm not going to continue to shell out RL money to fund three accounts while waiting for them to be rolled back as that is just not going to happen, rollback is the best option and CCP is too hard headed to admit that they screwed up yet again, I have hung around since 2003 and had a blast, I was still having fun until the icons change went into effect, now it's too much work to play so I cut funds on three accounts, if Eve goes down the tubes because of a faulty game change it's not my fault, I gave feedback when the icons went live on SISI and since CCP didn't listen what happens to Eve after that is not my problem.


Real feedback can be given in the long term. But not now.
Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
#1909 - 2015-06-21 16:23:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Cleanse Serce
I can play the game with the icone changes.
I get more informations than before on field while PvPing withg the icone changes.

How can I get more informationq with changes then others crying louder than they can't see **** ?
How can you tell that empty squares before were better than ACTUAL icones today ?
I can't get it.

If you're mad enough about it that you're ready to quit playing Eve Online, then bye.
Good riddance.
Maybe the game will evolve faster without those stubborn players sitting on their quirks and can't frucking adapt.
Constantin Makanen
#1910 - 2015-06-21 16:26:26 UTC
Alea wrote:
If the numbers are dropping (I don't care enough to look to be honest) it may or may not be the fault of the faulty icons as it's summer after all and people like to go outside when it's nice out.


Maybe. To be honest, I dont look at them either.
Just paying my subsc. even though I am not playing for months, but there are reasons for that, that will change soon.

Alea wrote:
It's not CCPs fault that player has bad eyesight he's just upset that a game change makes Eve unplayable for him and he has a right to cancel his membership because of that, why would someone want to continually pay for a faulty product when the dev blog itself pretty much told us that the faulty icons are here to stay so they will never work for some of it's player base and we chose to move on.


Its his right, but he should not act like rage quitting will improve the game.
Constantin Makanen
#1911 - 2015-06-21 16:30:24 UTC
Cleanse Serce wrote:
I can play the game with the icone changes.
I get more informations than before on field while PvPing withg the icone changes.

How can I get more informationq with changes then others crying louder than they can't see **** ?
How can you tell that empty squares before were better than ACTUAL icones today ?
I can't get it.

If you're mad enough about it that you're ready to quit playing Eve Online, then bye.
Good riddance.
Maybe the game will evolve faster without those stubborn players sitting on their quirks and can't frucking adapt.



The problem is, EVE has to evolve even more, because ED and Star Citizen are powerful competitors.
We will see, what will happen in the long term.
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1912 - 2015-06-21 16:35:26 UTC
Constantin Makanen wrote:


Alea wrote:

If the icons make the game unplayable I'm not going to continue to shell out RL money to fund three accounts while waiting for them to be rolled back as that is just not going to happen, rollback is the best option and CCP is too hard headed to admit that they screwed up yet again, I have hung around since 2003 and had a blast, I was still having fun until the icons change went into effect, now it's too much work to play so I cut funds on three accounts, if Eve goes down the tubes because of a faulty game change it's not my fault, I gave feedback when the icons went live on SISI and since CCP didn't listen what happens to Eve after that is not my problem.


Real feedback can be given in the long term. But not now.


Real feedback was asked for by CCP and it as given before the icons went live on TQ, CCP received that feedback but decided to ignore that feedback.

CCP is trying to save face by now saying that the icons are a work in progress what also means that they know that the icons are a terrible addition and are trying to find a way out of the mess that they have created by not listening to the feedback that they asked for in the first place.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Steijn
Quay Industries
#1913 - 2015-06-21 16:36:21 UTC
Constantin Makanen wrote:
If some icons will make you quit, I literally have no clue about what you did in the past six years. Definitely not enjoying the sandbox.


When i undock, whats the first thing i look at? - The overview.

What did i see when i looked at the overview? - A quick indication of what was close around me in space.

What do i now see when i look at the overview? - Some squiggles which merge into everything else that is on my overview and make it impossible to QUICKLY see what im looking at.

I, like many others, use the UI at 90% scaling. CCP have admitted this doesnt currently work, and may never work properly in the future. So why should i stay?

From a personal point of view, the sandbox was fine for 6 years even with the industry changes which made me completely change how I played the game so dont try coming along with the 'you arent willing to change' crap.
Steijn
Quay Industries
#1914 - 2015-06-21 16:38:40 UTC
Constantin Makanen wrote:
Cleanse Serce wrote:
I can play the game with the icone changes.
I get more informations than before on field while PvPing withg the icone changes.

How can I get more informationq with changes then others crying louder than they can't see **** ?
How can you tell that empty squares before were better than ACTUAL icones today ?
I can't get it.

If you're mad enough about it that you're ready to quit playing Eve Online, then bye.
Good riddance.
Maybe the game will evolve faster without those stubborn players sitting on their quirks and can't frucking adapt.



The problem is, EVE has to evolve even more, because ED and Star Citizen are powerful competitors.
We will see, what will happen in the long term.


I think you need to look up the meaning of the word Evolve, because the last time i looked, it didnt mean drive your subscribers to 1 of your competitors
Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
#1915 - 2015-06-21 16:39:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Cleanse Serce
Constantin Makanen wrote:
The problem is, EVE has to evolve even more, because ED and Star Citizen are powerful competitors.
We will see, what will happen in the long term.


Those games are not a threat for Eve Online.

Star Citizens battlegrounds or whatever name they call them is no match with Eve Online "open PvP" (yeah ok TiDi, but still instances versus open world = no match).

Elite Dangerous is more kind of a Space Simulator.
same thing compared to Eve Online, EG has phased Solar Systems, you can be in a solar system but you won't see your friend that is in the same solar system, unless you group or chose the same 'phase' = no match.


But that doesn't mean CCP has to stand there and do nothing, and i'm glad that's not what they're doing.

Steijn wrote:
I think you need to look up the meaning of the word Evolve, because the last time i looked, it didnt mean drive your subscribers to 1 of your competitors


Sources ?

Actually to all of you threatening CCP to quit the game, do you even know how many you are ?
You're all saying that CCP don't listen to players, but how many are ACTUALLY not ok with those icone changes ?
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1916 - 2015-06-21 16:41:38 UTC
Constantin Makanen wrote:
Alea wrote:
If the numbers are dropping (I don't care enough to look to be honest) it may or may not be the fault of the faulty icons as it's summer after all and people like to go outside when it's nice out.


Maybe. To be honest, I dont look at them either.
Just paying my subsc. even though I am not playing for months, but there are reasons for that, that will change soon.

Alea wrote:
It's not CCPs fault that player has bad eyesight he's just upset that a game change makes Eve unplayable for him and he has a right to cancel his membership because of that, why would someone want to continually pay for a faulty product when the dev blog itself pretty much told us that the faulty icons are here to stay so they will never work for some of it's player base and we chose to move on.


Its his right, but he should not act like rage quitting will improve the game.


If CCP don't listen to the feedback that they asked for in the fist place quitting is the only option left to do if the game is now unplayable for those people, Eve is heading in a direction that I don't like so I'm going to play other games instead and hope in the future the old style icons make a comeback, if not that's OK too as I had allot of fun the past 12 years.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Constantin Makanen
#1917 - 2015-06-21 16:42:24 UTC
Steijn wrote:
From a personal point of view, the sandbox was fine for 6 years even with the industry changes which made me completely change how I played the game so dont try coming along with the 'you arent willing to change' crap.


You dont fail by changing, but at accepting and to invest into the future.
Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
#1918 - 2015-06-21 16:43:37 UTC
Alea wrote:
If CCP don't listen to the feedback that they asked for in the fist place quitting is the only option left to do if the game is now unplayable for those people, Eve is heading in a direction that I don't like so I'm going to play other games instead and hope in the future the old style icons make a comeback, if not that's OK too as I had allot of fun the past 12 years.


They did listen to the feedback and the new DevBlog proves it : they're working on 4 changes.
If your feedback is to roll back, that's not a valid feedback, and i'm glad they don't listen to this.
Constantin Makanen
#1919 - 2015-06-21 16:44:39 UTC
Alea wrote:
If CCP don't listen to the feedback that they asked for in the fist place quitting is the only option left to do....


If so, bye then.
Steijn
Quay Industries
#1920 - 2015-06-21 16:46:37 UTC
Constantin Makanen wrote:
Steijn wrote:
From a personal point of view, the sandbox was fine for 6 years even with the industry changes which made me completely change how I played the game so dont try coming along with the 'you arent willing to change' crap.


You dont fail by changing, but at accepting and to invest into the future.


I refuse to invest into something that i can no longer play. Its like owning a car but breaking your legs, what use is it anymore?