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It's about the way CCP treats our complaints about the icons. If they treat us like this over icons just wait and see how they treat us when they make a mess of Sov. It is about how they treat their paying customers, and when I am one of those paying customers then I will damn well make a fuss about it.

over 80 pages of complains n thats the anwser ....thats just sad ppl r comin with suggestions and asking for options n ur anwser is just plainsided no really sad the future looks grimm for eve online
at least for those who designed the new map they lissend to give the old map as option why not hold a survey n let the ppl vote who play the game ?
not like ull lissen anyways cos its seems ur on a stubborn track to do what the eff ever with the silly icons. and again i say the future looks grimm why did these stupid icons get implemented in the first place n why is it so hard to give an option to use the old icons n why is the simple anwser no n why do we have to wait on another dev blog for it?
the blog will cover it?
what will it cover, more changes extra colours everything to keep the silly icons?
the overview was working fine as it was
will u re-sub the the simple anwser is no i will cover it in my blog

Hello,

Display setup :

Section "Display" :
- Window mode
- window size is 1920x1005
- Screen size : 23 inch
- Display adapter is "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 1 "

Section "Effect" :
- All are Enable (x)

Section "Graphic Content Setting " :
- HDR and Load Station Env. = Enable (x)
- All options (Shader, texture, etc.) = "High" except Anti-aliasing = "Medium"


The problem with the Golem Skins :

The Basic skin and also the new skin "Kaalakiota Golem" are very bad quality. There is too much dust, too worn and scratches on the ship. In addition, the level of detail is quite low enough. That lack of definition.

I tryed to reduce in the game configuration level "Shader Quality" and it does not give anything. The ship is still as ugly and dirty.

Examples : We want for the Golem skins the same level of detail and quality that the Cerberus for basic skin and Rook for Kaalakiota skin .

Best,

Ben

1) Apology accepted, hopefully this does not happen again. But it doesn't make sense, I'm sorry. If you followed this topic, why have you not been more vocal and tried to ease our concerns?

2) I understand the time it requires to gather enough data to draw a reasonable conclusion, but as stated above, CCP's communication was abysmal. The results of the meeting better not be disappointing.

3) What? Why do you keep repeating the same mistake all over again? You had a meeting with the CSM last week. Fine. Even if it that was as late as Sunday evening (Eve time) the announcement of a blog coming the next day should have been IMMEDIATELY after that meeting was over, with the blog following on Monday. What is your excuse for the delay? Who is working so slow?

4) What else is there to say? We've got pretty much everything covered. Repetitions are useless. What else do you want to hear? If you expect us to draw mockups... sure. What are we getting for our efforts? I suggest you close this topic after the devblog is out, link to the devblog in first and last post here and use the devblog comments as new feedback topic.


5) Yes you could and should have. I for one do not expect the actual developers to spend their time in the forum instead of working. This is what community moderators are for. They go through the stuff, throw together summaries, and present them to the devs in question. Then they reply based on what they get as response from the devs. A working developer should only post when it is necessary. I don't think anyone wants to be coddled by the devs. If you give us useful responses, then we have something to work with. I guess that is what everyone asks for, right? c:

Saying the player feedback has not been discarded is a bit wobbly. You know from the latest sisi feedback topic that things would not turn out well. So the question is, who is "we" in this case? The developer team who has been making the icons? Okay, I give you the benefit of doubt and believe that. So who ELSE was discarding what YOU have been saying? Which manager or producer was ignoring the feedback and concerns coming from their own employees?
Of course, some statistic gobblers will say that not enough people gave feedback and not enough people were on sisi to test the changes. I understand this. Solution? Submit the new icons into the client as OPTIONAL BETA FEATURE to receive more feedback. And work on an ingame feedback tool.

6) I hope your difficulties to understand this will be covered in the devblog. I also don't think you are handling this situation very well currently. What should follow right now is a quality assurance of customer feedback. Give us a USEFUL survey to fill out. Ask what people NEED with new icons. To make things quicker and easier for them. I bet most people don't require that many distinctions for drones or cargo containers.


8) That sounds like a hard twist on the truth. I only know the pacman stargate was changed, but I'm sure you can prove me wrong. By the way, it STILL looks horrible. Less pacman but more like a square with very round edges. It is not a circle, by no means. If you talk about the previous icons? Oh yes, you listened and changed a lot of them to become the CURRENT release... but you seemed to have misinterpreted the RECENT feedback on Sisi icons, because that one was just as bad.
CCP I hate to say this but you are doing a terrible job at communicating. You have to ask more questions. USEFUL questions at that. The more specific you will be, the better answers you will get from us.

9) What are you doing to make sure something like that will not happen again? Why did you not make the icons an optional beta feature? And let me be more clear now: Who is holding the strings on this? Who is forcing these horrible decisions? Who is responsible for disabling proper implementation?

There have been plenty of bad choices made. I do not want to believe that these were solely from your development teams, because that would mean a whole lot of people have no clue about communication, feedback, testing and longevity. Instead, it all seems to point to business and management decisions.

What you should have done:
Update overview code for improved options and visibility.
Better scaling algorithm and vector based icons OR implementation of additional handcrafted scale sets.
Better communication and questions in feedback topics.
Making new icons optional beta feature first.

What you did:
Force new icons upon us and failing at damage control.

Well there is the answer no we are going to live with these and all of fozzie-sov Never mind that people are leaving null and the game it does not matter... We are looking at 1 thread just the English add the other languages and you know there is a lot more than 85 pages... and we are all being told same crap. I'm not that old of a toon but I do not lke major changes done to something as it is like having a new game to learn.. eyes and headache... They could have made a new game along side of this 1 but they are gonna rebuild it for somes interest... it really reminds me of coke and new coke but they brought back classic coke and within a few months new coke totally died.. when your totally changing a game it makes it hard to find the flow for it or the idea behind it.. with fozzie-sov gonna be a lot of major changes this is why people leaving null and the game.. I look at the stupidity in the changes and see 2 % reduction in players and then add fozzie-sov you may have 5 % drop in players... Oh and who do you think brings new players into the game... I have brought 3 2 are leaving because of changes and game focus shifts... I personally canceled 3 accts and will just wait till someone gets there head out of their *** but to come back idk as when ppl leave you may get 10 % of those back if your lucky this is not baseball

You got to be kidding me. The first thing you need to ask when you set about tinkering with things is why make changes to stuff that is not broken. The second thing you need to ask is if we are going to try to fix something that is not broken anyways then is the result of our efforts better then what we had in the first place. Here, the old icons didnt need fixing in the first place and also are superior by every measurable metric then the new icons. Just give people the choice. You did it with captain quarters. You did it with the map. You guys get to save face since the icons are still introduced, and the players who hate them can still play the game the way they like. Everybody wins.

You have got to be ******* kidding me.

Pathetic.
The same sh..ts happen with tooltips! No one cares about our opinion at all. Btw CCP why don't you go on SISI and stay there and make what you want and just not come back

Well, I should be careful what I wish for. I wanted a CCP reply to this thread.

We got one, and it amounts to "No, sorry, we will post a blog explaining why you are wrong. Any problems with the new icons lie with the players."