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Natya Mebelle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1581 - 2015-06-12 21:39:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Natya Mebelle
Dear Diary,

This is page 80 of our long journey full deprivation, but still we hope.
Longer and darker seem the warp tunnels, but still we hope.
Flying with instinct and relying on our guts, as our instruments fail to show what is known, we carry on.
Jove space lies in shambles, our very ship AI Aura silent and stripped of knowledge, but we prevail.
Will the world shine light upon us again, or is this our punishment for the genocide we caused among the sleepers?
Is this part of the Drifter's retribution or is fate just toying with us?

I don't know, dear diary.
Maybe these logs will be found among my wreck, when life support has long died, as a new generation of explorers travels to these outer rims, trying to find why so many capsuleers suddenly vanished.

I sit, and keep hoping.


... and I also hope that if we manage to get out of this, windows 10 would not be among me. For I fear my capsule won't load strawberry flavoured pod goo like it did before.
That would be sad :c
Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
#1582 - 2015-06-12 23:05:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Dangeresque Too
Ex Ira wrote:
Well you managed it CCP, i'm finally dropping my subscriptions /o\
Took you quite long, but you managed to **** me off enough this time.

I'm quitting over your lack of caring for your customers. Over your ignorance towards those that pay your salary.
You shove stuff down our throats whether we protest or not, feedback simply gets ignored.

I'm definitly not spending any more money on this game to support this way of treating your customers.
This completely sums up my feelings towards CCP... and they can't say they didn't see it coming because we told them weeks ahead of time, but they refused to listen. Then they complain when we say more dev time should be spent on real problems, not attemped prettiness, because artists have to do artsy things since they can't work on core game design, but why not just re-appropriate funds to more/better core game developers?

As one of the ones who spent countless hours testing (and I don't know how many evenings wasted posting feedback and suggestions) for many of the changes that the feedback was completely ignored, as well as my brother. And I'm not just talking about the very evident lack of dev responses to their very own feedback threads, but also in that many of those features that were redesigned went the complete opposite direction of any of the feedback.

All 3 of my accounts expire within a month... I 'might' talk myself into plexing 1 of them to last until the next patch so I can make oodles of iskies of stupid pilots that have to have the first new mods/ships. But then I'm done. I can't afford to keep forking over hundreds of bucks to CCP every year to be treated this poorly. Maybe I'll come back, that is up to CCP to decide in how they handle themselves and if they can be man enough to admit they never really did learn anything from ALL of their previous screwups they were warned were terribad but "CCP knows best" and pushed to TQ with full abandon.

P.S. And you know its getting bad when more than half the time I talk with real life Eve friends, we are talking about how terribly CCP broke something that wasn't broken before and/or refused to acknowledge the feedback/warnings about the change instead of how awesome of a time we are having playing Eve, cause they make it harder and harder to enjoy the game every single patch.
Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
#1583 - 2015-06-12 23:07:14 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Aurilia-Yvonne Lyonne wrote:


This whole situation was created, and is ongoing, because of CCP's actions, inactions, and lack of communication.

Enough said.


Don't forget arrogance and pride. Cool


Truth +1 Right here, CCP. Time to suck in your stomachs and face the music you've put on repeat. Roll back the icons that are causing troubles and headache pains for some of us, or give the option to use the old ones while you be all 'creative!' and 'brainstorming!' in your company. Down to one paying account now, if this isn't handled fast with the quickness I'll let this one lapse as well. I certainly Won't be bringing new players into this fiasco, I seem to know individuals with less than stellar vision who would be in more agony than I after a couple hours of ingame time.

>Jeven

Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.

'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.

Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.

Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P

No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.
Koba Kyogen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1584 - 2015-06-13 00:08:24 UTC
Mirija wrote:
lots of days are gone ... these icons are still a pain in the @$$ ...

loggin in .. checking icon status .. loggin out



Yep.
Eke Patang
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1585 - 2015-06-13 01:30:20 UTC
Mirija wrote:
lots of days are gone ... these icons are still a pain in the @$$ ...

loggin in .. checking icon status .. loggin out


Save yourself some time and just check here.If there's no ccp post then it hasn't happened Roll
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#1586 - 2015-06-13 04:31:02 UTC
Sov change... no result. UI change... utter BS. This is the patch x+1 with absolutely no positive result, or even reaction in game. I just wonder, CCP. Do you guys have no bosses there, no managers, even no company owner, no one to look after what you do? So the team can keep it in fail after fail?
Less and less people log in. Game becomes more pointless after every patch. Still you guys claim you win. This reminds me of Test during Fountain war lol. LolLolLol
I have just a small question: who in the blue hell there imagines people will log in to do absolutely nothing, and also pay for that? I don't speak here about the hardcore guys. For those, theres nothign left in this world except Eve. This is how it is, and won't change. But they won't pay for enuf plex to feed the machine. Regulars will, if they find a reason to be here. Looking at numbers, they don't. Guess what: noone considered the regulars before thinking about BS changes? So pro, so amazing and awesome... I want a such job too, i'll be damn if not. LolLolLol
Also i fail to see the Fozzie partisans roaming all over, doing amazing things, having lots of fun, and building the new Eve we all want. Come out and play gentlemen. Show us all we were wrong, and you and your Lazy God are right.LolLolLol
Strykr X
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1587 - 2015-06-13 05:05:17 UTC
Alright, so the icons are stupid as hell and extremely disappointing, but the camera issue drives me absolutely insane, each and every time it happens.

FIX THAT ****. RIGHT. NOW.
haralampijem
Fatal and The rabbit
The G0dfathers
#1588 - 2015-06-13 05:54:39 UTC
CCP return the old icons!!!
Jattila Vrek
Green Visstick High
#1589 - 2015-06-13 06:38:23 UTC
I have some feedback on the armor plates changes (tiericide). The mass addition on the restrained plates is too high.

If I compare with shield extenders then there the restrained extender has the same sig penalty as the best faction extender. The restrained extender has only 60% of the sig penalty of the tech II. In most cruiser fits with afterburners you want to fit restrained LSEs because they are better than tech II.
With plates the best faction plate also has 60% of the mass adition of the tech II, but the restrained plates have 80-90% of the mass addition. There is no point in fitting restrained plates. Only in exceptional cases where you can't fit a single tech II plate even after making some compromises, you want to use the restrained plate.

This is not very balanced. Perhaps the restrained shield extenders are too good. I've fiddled with a 100 MN Ishtar fit with restrained extenders and this has twice the tank against Bs sized weapons as a MWD fit. We're going to see a lot more shield fleets with restrained extenders and ABs.
Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
#1590 - 2015-06-13 11:14:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Eraza
Jattila Vrek wrote:
I have some feedback on the armor plates changes (tiericide). The mass addition on the restrained plates is too high.

If I compare with shield extenders then there the restrained extender has the same sig penalty as the best faction extender. The restrained extender has only 60% of the sig penalty of the tech II. In most cruiser fits with afterburners you want to fit restrained LSEs because they are better than tech II.
With plates the best faction plate also has 60% of the mass adition of the tech II, but the restrained plates have 80-90% of the mass addition. There is no point in fitting restrained plates. Only in exceptional cases where you can't fit a single tech II plate even after making some compromises, you want to use the restrained plate.

This is not very balanced. Perhaps the restrained shield extenders are too good. I've fiddled with a 100 MN Ishtar fit with restrained extenders and this has twice the tank against Bs sized weapons as a MWD fit. We're going to see a lot more shield fleets with restrained extenders and ABs.


Yeah, I agree, the "restrained" plates seem totally useless now, except if for some reason you just HAVE to shave off 5 cpu, and... then you could just as well shave of 8 cpu and more power, for the same HP bonus, and use compact ones
I just dont see myself EVER using the restrained plates in this balance.

I mean, seriously, will I ever need 5 cpu and 50 powergrid free, but somehow obsessively NOT want 8 cpu and 70 power freed up?(for the 1600mm's as an example)
other bonuses are about the same, and I really don't think I'll see any major difference in 3.000.000 kg mass(restrained), vs 3.500.000 kg mass(compact), or the 3.750.000 kg mass(tech 2)

Also not a similar penelty to the restrained shields, the large restraned giving 15 sig, vs 25 for the others
A similar armor mass would be 2.250.000 for the restrained, if shield and armor had been balanced using the same formulas.(which funny enough, it was that mass for the lightest plate before this change)

I also note CCP, who does that armor mass penalty help?
Shield tanks are already VERY dominant in PVP, armor tanks needed a boost if anything, not a nerf like this.
And I'm quite sure the shield tank sig things did NOT need buffing.
Shield tank already being by far the most popular option for PVP,
Buffing the already more popular option, while nerfing the less popular one, is not helping balance out our options.


One last thing: I cringe every time I see a "restrained" version of anything.
My brain insists on translating restrained to mean reduced, or crippled, version of something.
like it's the return of the basic modules.
ick..
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1591 - 2015-06-13 11:48:36 UTC
Its very obvious they had a release schedule to keep and could not bring themselves to release carnyx without a new icon set. Whyprobably they need a minimum number of new features per release.

If this is how they work id say they need to forget this 6 week release cycle thing.
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#1592 - 2015-06-13 11:51:07 UTC
Jattila Vrek wrote:
I have some feedback on the armor plates changes (tiericide). The mass addition on the restrained plates is too high.

If I compare with shield extenders then there the restrained extender has the same sig penalty as the best faction extender. The restrained extender has only 60% of the sig penalty of the tech II. In most cruiser fits with afterburners you want to fit restrained LSEs because they are better than tech II.
With plates the best faction plate also has 60% of the mass adition of the tech II, but the restrained plates have 80-90% of the mass addition. There is no point in fitting restrained plates. Only in exceptional cases where you can't fit a single tech II plate even after making some compromises, you want to use the restrained plate.

This is not very balanced. Perhaps the restrained shield extenders are too good. I've fiddled with a 100 MN Ishtar fit with restrained extenders and this has twice the tank against Bs sized weapons as a MWD fit. We're going to see a lot more shield fleets with restrained extenders and ABs.

What means "too good" in a game in there's no invincible things? I have sooooo enuf of this way of describing functional things, and glorifying the nerf... Actually game is not even half as alive as it was 4 years ago when they started "improving" it. Gj, gj.
Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
#1593 - 2015-06-13 12:18:50 UTC
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Its very obvious they had a release schedule to keep and could not bring themselves to release carnyx without a new icon set. Whyprobably they need a minimum number of new features per release.

If this is how they work id say they need to forget this 6 week release cycle thing.

Yes, I have been seeing a lot of signs pointing to this.
The 6 week release cycle is clearly not working as intended, and I would strongly prefer better content, more polish, even if it takes much longer.

I for one, hope CCP returns to the 6 month release schedule, and gives us more polished, more complete, and better tested, content.
quality over quantity!

And for the love of god CCP,
STOP FIXING THINGS THAT ARE NOT BROKEN

I don't care at all about module updates, or the ship balance changes, or UI changes, of any kind,
aside from a few items and ships that were overpowered or crap(that always happens in any game)
Balance changes are simply NOT EXCITING.

And the worst case, is a patch like this, combined with the last few ones, that's seriously diminishing my enjoyment of the game.
I still hate the new neocom, I miss the gui sliders(plural), the ability to have seperate colors for seperate things(**** monochrome)

These things worked perfectly with noone complaining about them, for well over 12 years now, why did they suddenly need updating?

I want to send a few dozen "IF IT'S NOT BROKEN, DON'T FIX IT" signs to CCP, as a not-so-subtle hint of what I think of your last year of patches.
You clearly do not have any of those.
Shai'd Hulud
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1594 - 2015-06-13 12:19:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Shai'd Hulud
Hi CCP,

CAN WE HAVE STATUS FOR THESE BUGS :

1- New Icons
2- Bad quality of Golem skins (basic skin and Kaalakiota skin)
3- Camera and option "Turn Tracking Camera = On"

Thank's for fast answer.... lol........and good day to you!
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1595 - 2015-06-13 12:56:26 UTC
Eraza wrote:
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Its very obvious they had a release schedule to keep and could not bring themselves to release carnyx without a new icon set. Whyprobably they need a minimum number of new features per release.

If this is how they work id say they need to forget this 6 week release cycle thing.

Yes, I have been seeing a lot of signs pointing to this.
The 6 week release cycle is clearly not working as intended, and I would strongly prefer better content, more polish, even if it takes much longer.

I for one, hope CCP returns to the 6 month release schedule, and gives us more polished, more complete, and better tested, content.
quality over quantity!

And for the love of god CCP,
STOP FIXING THINGS THAT ARE NOT BROKEN

I don't care at all about module updates, or the ship balance changes, or UI changes, of any kind,
aside from a few items and ships that were overpowered or crap(that always happens in any game)
Balance changes are simply NOT EXCITING.

And the worst case, is a patch like this, combined with the last few ones, that's seriously diminishing my enjoyment of the game.
I still hate the new neocom, I miss the gui sliders(plural), the ability to have seperate colors for seperate things(**** monochrome)

These things worked perfectly with noone complaining about them, for well over 12 years now, why did they suddenly need updating?

I want to send a few dozen "IF IT'S NOT BROKEN, DON'T FIX IT" signs to CCP, as a not-so-subtle hint of what I think of your last year of patches.
You clearly do not have any of those.


The list could be very long, just one more working thing people were enjoying until they "fix" it : the jukebox. Why the hell, CCP, what's in your heads ? In what removing the jukebox makes the game better ???
What's in your heads...
Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
#1596 - 2015-06-13 13:38:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Eraza
Tao Dolcino wrote:
Eraza wrote:
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Its very obvious they had a release schedule to keep and could not bring themselves to release carnyx without a new icon set. Whyprobably they need a minimum number of new features per release.

If this is how they work id say they need to forget this 6 week release cycle thing.

Yes, I have been seeing a lot of signs pointing to this.
The 6 week release cycle is clearly not working as intended, and I would strongly prefer better content, more polish, even if it takes much longer.

I for one, hope CCP returns to the 6 month release schedule, and gives us more polished, more complete, and better tested, content.
quality over quantity!

And for the love of god CCP,
STOP FIXING THINGS THAT ARE NOT BROKEN

I don't care at all about module updates, or the ship balance changes, or UI changes, of any kind,
aside from a few items and ships that were overpowered or crap(that always happens in any game)
Balance changes are simply NOT EXCITING.

And the worst case, is a patch like this, combined with the last few ones, that's seriously diminishing my enjoyment of the game.
I still hate the new neocom, I miss the gui sliders(plural), the ability to have seperate colors for seperate things(**** monochrome)

These things worked perfectly with noone complaining about them, for well over 12 years now, why did they suddenly need updating?

I want to send a few dozen "IF IT'S NOT BROKEN, DON'T FIX IT" signs to CCP, as a not-so-subtle hint of what I think of your last year of patches.
You clearly do not have any of those.


The list could be very long, just one more working thing people were enjoying until they "fix" it : the jukebox. Why the hell, CCP, what's in your heads ? In what removing the jukebox makes the game better ???
What's in your heads...


Oh god, I REALLY miss the jukebox
I'm now one of those "eve has music?" people, since I don't like all the songs, and my favorite ones do NOT play in my area(why the **** are the tracks area based?), and I cant be assed to alt-tab to an mp3 player

And to make matters worse, I found the mp3 files, they do NOT sound the same in VLC as they do ingame, so even that's not a real option.

so no more music for eve, I got fed up with hearing the same songs on repeat, and they removed my ability to control it.
Jiska Ensa
Estrale Frontiers
#1597 - 2015-06-13 13:41:14 UTC
The overview icons look horrible. Please fix, or roll back.
Rio Bravo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1598 - 2015-06-13 13:52:39 UTC
Sometimes...late at night lying awake, staring at the ceiling...I miss the Jukebox, and the good times we had.

“You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. I dig.”  - Clint Eastwood, misquote.
Jack Mancetti
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1599 - 2015-06-13 14:06:00 UTC
The world is grey,grey like all the stuff what we got from CCP last time,
i think they think in gray tones Sad
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#1600 - 2015-06-13 15:20:24 UTC
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Its very obvious they had a release schedule to keep and could not bring themselves to release carnyx without a new icon set. Whyprobably they need a minimum number of new features per release.

One of the features was DC icon change...

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville