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Blue Harrier

Likes received: 225

#1561 - 2015-06-12 08:10:37 UTC

I still cannot get used to the new icons at all, in the overview many of them are far too small and easily missed or confused with other icons, (the Warp Gate is the exception, one of the best icons in my view).

In space I still cannot see the red icons because most of the time diagonal (as in triangle or cross) single pixel lines do not show up even on a 27” 1080P screen and only the horizontal lines show clearly. This applies in some instances even for the white lines which often show only the two small horizontal ‘bits’ of the wreck icons (most notable at 90% scale).

Also why are the Police etc. Icons near stargates so bright when NPC ships are so dim?

If the red icons were as bright as the white Police icons it might be possible for me to see them, but as we don’t have a proper ‘colour blind’ option I don’t hold out much hope Cry

"You wait - time passes, Thorin sits down and starts singing about gold." from The Hobbit on ZX Spectrum 1982.

Panterata

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 359

#1562 - 2015-06-12 08:28:15 UTC

I will reposting again and again

Quote:

1. First we hear from many of you the difference between NPC and player ships is simply too subtle with the new icon set, and we're right now experimenting with alternatives to separate these groups more, maybe adding entirely new shapes for NPC ships to make them more clearly stand out from players.

Jesus f..ck,

Are you deaf or blind or again you are doing what you want?! I will try with simple English words

1. PVP overview icons - simple SQUARE as before for ANY SHIPS CLASS!!!
2. NPC overview icons - BIG cross for BS, med cross for BC, small cross for frigates as before!!!

3. IF SOMEONE wants to use new icons make an option to change it if player wish!!

Natya Mebelle

Center for Advanced Studies

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 348

#1563 - 2015-06-12 09:00:22 UTC | Edited by: Natya Mebelle

Comments in bold+underline

Quadima wrote:

- cruiser / battecruiser => rhombus / square (most common ships) [ filled ]
- ...except Rhombus is the association to cargo containers, and square is a station. A station is pretty common too, you know?

- battleship - pentagon [ filled ]
- ...given the issues with scaling and the clarity thereof, I imagine this to look very awkward, and if not big enough, it will look more like a somethingsomething circular thing.

- dread - five pointed star (related to pentagon, since the purpose is similar) [ filled ]
- ...5 pointed stars on a size of 14x14 for 100% or 12x12 for 90% is nigh impossible when you want to make it remotely distinguishable from a pentagon, and not look like a blurry mess.

- carrier / supercarrier / titan - different variations of a "shield" shape ( like police badges ) - they are mostly "support" ships all of them
- ... While that is technically true, a shield icon is almost a square with a rounded, slightly pointed bottom if you take a kite shield. Okay. What over variation? Slightly rounded on top? And the third? Not enough distinction in too little space. And this also makes another case of "pixel pollution."

- industrial / hauler - circle ( outline )
- ... except we use circles for celestials. A planet is a circle with an outline, was before and is now. And you want to make industrials look like that? You're a funny person.

- mining vessel - hammer /pickaxe shape ( filled )
- ... are you kidding me? I bet you want that hammer or pickaxe even tilted to make a nice disti-... no.

- drone - little cross
- ... making drones look like old NPCs and not like they were previously... little X ?

- all sorts of containers - box with an X through it [ outline ]
- ... box with an X is pretty much the same we have now, which is a box with a dash. How is that an improvement? It is not. back to rhombus we should go anyway.

- gate - spiral ( the idea of a vortex )
- ... to make it look more like a WORMHOLE or Cyno than a stargate? No.

- starbase structures - Who gives a f*** ? (they are probably fine the way they are now)
- ... this would be the point I would be most likely to agree on, if your remaining post was not lacking any and all thought, and if you would display any kind of interest beyond your ship-shape-galore.

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Color themes:

- NPC enemy - RED
- NPC friendly - GREEN
- PLAYER - WHITE

The lack of imagination of CCP designers in the latest months is mind-boggling... !

Colour themes... really?Horray, let's ignore red-green colour blindness everyone! That is what a light blue would be for, you know?

The lack of imagination, foresight and effort you put into your feedback is mind-boggling.

Sol epoch

HELVEGEN

Likes received: 465

#1564 - 2015-06-12 09:53:01 UTC

Panterata wrote:

I will reposting again and again

Quote:

I endorse this and also can we have some definitive feedback from CCP or are you all being quiet as the fingers are being pointed in CCP HQ?
People want the option to use either the old icon set or the new one with the majority asking for the old one back.
Come on CCP at least show you are listening and give us some feedback.

Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 39
Mirija Science and Trade Institute Caldari State Likes received: 39	#1565 - 2015-06-12 10:25:37 UTC 8 lots of days are gone ... these icons are still a pain in the @$$ ... loggin in .. checking icon status .. loggin out

Aeon Veritas

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 29

#1566 - 2015-06-12 10:38:47 UTC

Olleybear wrote:

Natya Mebelle wrote:

Another thing that keeps being forgotten is the continuous issues with the launcher, especially since Download on Demand was patched. For some people, every new major patch is a huge gamble. Eventually, people are getting tired of trying again and again, eventually not even logging in any more.

Agreeing with you here about the launcher and Download on Demand.

If you sneeze during a update / cache check, your not getting on for a good 1/2 hour. During the update / cache check there have been times when the activity light on the modem stops and the launcher looks like its crashed because it hasnt updated itself while the play button is still greyed out. We players then have a choice. Do we take a chance and close the launcher, knowing that we might have to go through another 30 minutes or more of whatever it is the launcher is doing, or do we hope the launcher is just buggy ( just buggy??!?!? ) and it is instead really ready to let us play but hasnt updated itself to tell us by ungreying the play button?

Download on Demand.... yea. New guy at work installs Eve for the first time. Comes back to work and tells me all he is seeing is a black screen with a light in the background, the activity light on his modem shows activity, but he cant do anything. I've no idea what is going on until I install Eve on a PC I am working on about a week later to test out the power supply I had just installed. Same thing happened with the black screen and a light in the background. Joy! Eve was still loading the station environment and after 1/2 hour of downloading with no change to the screen I gave up.

In the rush to get someone into the game as fast as possible, neglecting to have the station environment preloaded or even telling the person just what is going on with an estimated time to completion risked that guy at work quitting before he even got started. If I hadnt told him to go to bed and let the download continue while he slept, he would have never subscribed to the game and quit on day one of his 14 day trial.

I'm sure this is costing us players to shoot in the face and customers for ccp. Cry

Wait, you telling me thats is not my pc which is slow? Shocked

(was a serious consideration since its like 6 years old)
well, thanks, I guess....

Regarding download on demand. There are games which choose a much smarter way...
For Rift you have to load so much that you actually can play the game, but while you start playing there is a download in the background for the files that are just needed on demand.

Adapted to EVE i could imagine that you, as example, need to download all the standard ship skins in the first place and than you can start playing. And while you play there is a background download for the SKINs maybe queued after demand.

With that mechanic every one has all the needed files, which is imho much better then every one has just the files he needed til now...

Lara Divinity

Pidgeon Cartel

Likes received: 169

#1567 - 2015-06-12 11:17:43 UTC | Edited by: Lara Divinity

Sill no changes or fixes playerbase dropped from 35k on a daylie basis to 17k come on ccp fix this crap and while ur at it fix the tracking camera issues to... make the game playable as it used to be why do u try to spoon feed this crap into or mouths?????
will not extend subscription if this is the road ur taking sorry but ill waste my moneys elsewhere then

Eraza

Fuzzyness Enterprizes

Likes received: 296

#1568 - 2015-06-12 11:29:22 UTC | Edited by: Eraza

Aeon Veritas wrote:

Olleybear wrote:

Natya Mebelle wrote:

Wait, you telling me thats is not my pc which is slow? Shocked

It sounds to me that CCP need to copy at least one thing from Blizzard.
I tried their download on demand client recently, started playing SC2 at about 7% client downloaded and saw simplistic crappy looking low resolution textures everywhere.
Then when individual items, units and buildings started popping in with much higher resolution textures, dropping the placeholder ones, it was very obvious what was the "problem" was, and I just ignored it and kept playing.
worked very well that way, and I was happy to have the option of not waiting on a 15gb download before doing a thing.
There was also a spinning progress... thingy.. that let you know that something was being downloaded.

It seems that CCP isn't using placeholder assets, and just lets you in with things missing?
AND no overlay thing to let the player know that missing game assets in his area are being downloaded?
that's going to get confusing very fast, I would NOT be happy to run into the things that guy did.
Also IF it hadn't worked out, I always had the clear and obvious warning that the game was NOT fully downloaded, and If I had issues, perhaps I should let it finish before playing.

I'm not using fresh installs, but I don't see any such signs in the eve launcher or ingame, not even the area where those things would be.


Natya Mebelle Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation Likes received: 348	#1569 - 2015-06-12 11:47:54 UTC Not copy from Blizzard, copy from Arenanet. If I remember correctly, Guild Wars 1 was the first big game with a really good download on demand system, long before Blizzard got it. It even worked without a launcher...

Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 15
Aloysius Cedric Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic Likes received: 15	#1570 - 2015-06-12 12:11:22 UTC 5 all accounts will be unsubbed right now until someone fixes the overview icons , fly safe

Vol Arm'OOO

Central Co-Prosperity Union

Likes received: 831

#1571 - 2015-06-12 13:07:56 UTC

Feels like CCP is trying the rope-a-dope. Hoping like they did with the stargate jump effect that with time, even though they put out a substandard nausea inducing product, that people will adapt and moveon. The difference of course is that with the jump screen effect, it did not effect game play, you could learn to ignore the effect without it impacting your game play at all, whereas with the icons its in your face all the time and it is game breaking because, at least for me, I cant see the difference between many of the icons because they are too small and too similar to each other. Also they are distracting as they largely look like rejects from an 80's videogame, but of course that is just a personal aesthetic opinion.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Grendell

Technologies Unlimited

Likes received: 1,035

#1572 - 2015-06-12 15:13:40 UTC

I would love to be able to change the icon colors. Currently NPC big red icons stand out so much, that if an actual player shows up you barely even notice.

Giving players the ability to properly customize the colors of the icons not only in the overview but how we see the icons with the camera I'm sure would help a lot.As it stand now the icons are all far to similar and can't be told apart quickly. There are more shapes than a triangle lol Lol

My ideal scenario, let people choose the icon sets they want, the current form was pushed out too early without enough testing. When you deploy something as big as this you should also do it ion batches, not all at once.

just my 2 cents ofc :)

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Ex Ira

MSCS Corpore

Likes received: 18

#1573 - 2015-06-12 15:39:21 UTC

Well you managed it CCP, i'm finally dropping my subscriptions /o\
Took you quite long, but you managed to **** me off enough this time.
My main already dropped and i realized i can't post articles on the forums once sub runs out (funny there you are subscribed for years and once your sub runs out you are cut off any communications immediatly ...).
Anyways, i can post on this toon, so not a big deal for me.

You really need to work on the way you treat your paying customers CCP.

I'm not quitting over the new Icons. - They are an annoyance and they need to be fixed / replaced, but everythings gotta start somewhere.
I'm also not quitting over the SOV changes. Whilst i'm unaffected, i see how these ruin the game play in null and make it facwar 2.0. Still SOV needed changing and again, change needs to start somewhere.
So i can understand that things need changing. Sometimes changes are turning stuff upside down to fix it.

But.

I'm quitting over your lack of caring for your customers. Over your ignorance towards those that pay your salary.
You shove stuff down our throats whether we protest or not, feedback simply gets ignored.
Yay Incarna 2.0. (It was Incarna wasn't it?)

Thus i'm now drawing a bottom line and start fresh somewhere else.
I'm going to play some other games, check back every once in a while and see if you improved.
I'm definitly not spending any more money on this game to support this way of treating your customers.

uhnboy ghost

Corporation 98237776

Likes received: 87

#1574 - 2015-06-12 15:51:57 UTC | Edited by: uhnboy ghost

CCP Surge wrote:

We're meeting with the CSM later this week to discuss much of this feedback, and I'm sure many of your concerns will be represented as well. Either way the significance of this and your well reasoned responses in this thread aren't lost on us. I'll keep poking in here to keep you guys updated on any further actions coming with regards to the icons.

[/list]

do anyone know when the csm meatings starts? and how long it takes for them to show up on http://community.eveonline.com/community/csm/meeting-minutes/

//uhnboy 84K probe scans in 2014 http://i.imgur.com/Uaid5iu.png

Dominous Nolen

The Graduates

The Initiative.

Likes received: 338

#1575 - 2015-06-12 16:39:17 UTC | Edited by: Dominous Nolen

uhnboy ghost wrote:

CCP Surge wrote:

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do anyone know when the csm meatings starts? and how long it takes for them to show up on http://community.eveonline.com/community/csm/meeting-minutes/

Hard to say.. This will need to go through NDA review as to what can/cannot be released... We probably won't get a detailed overview aside from the finalized call that CCP makes.

Even then what you are referring to are the minutes of the winter and summer summits that take place. Individual meetings such as the one surge mention probably don't get officially released due to the content and the amount of discussion that needs to be reviewed under the NDA requirements.

Personally I won't expect to see anything this meeting as in the last few years it looks like "Emergency" meeting minutes haven't been released, but who knows right?

@dominousnolen

"Fly dangerously, Fly safe, Fly whatever, just keep Flying." - Lee Blackwood

uhnboy ghost

Corporation 98237776

Likes received: 87

#1576 - 2015-06-12 16:46:44 UTC

Dominous Nolen wrote:

uhnboy ghost wrote:

CCP Surge wrote:

[/list]

do anyone know when the csm meatings starts? and how long it takes for them to show up on http://community.eveonline.com/community/csm/meeting-minutes/

aah, tnx for the info

//uhnboy 84K probe scans in 2014 http://i.imgur.com/Uaid5iu.png

Natya Mebelle

Center for Advanced Studies

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 348

#1577 - 2015-06-12 17:23:07 UTC

Ex Ira wrote:

I'm quitting over your lack of caring for your customers. Over your ignorance towards those that pay your salary.
You shove stuff down our throats whether we protest or not, feedback simply gets ignored.
Yay Incarna 2.0. (It was Incarna wasn't it?)

Thus i'm now drawing a bottom line and start fresh somewhere else.
I'm going to play some other games, check back every once in a while and see if you improved.
I'm definitly not spending any more money on this game to support this way of treating your customers.

You sound like someone who would return to Eve if things are being fixed and brought back into working order c:
If that is the case, then I would really like to see more of you voice their act of consequence and would hope there are more of you here in general. Because those people are the ones who really return, and it is those people who make a difference in product reviews.

I for one would love to have the resolution to take such a step... but I feel too responsible for the little podlings which are left behind in the barren wasteland that is called "opportunities".

Aurilia-Yvonne Lyonne

Doomheim

Likes received: 25

#1578 - 2015-06-12 17:59:41 UTC

This account's annual subscription runs out at the end of this month. I have suffered from headaches since the new icons were introduced. I am certain the headaches are caused by the icon change as I can spend (and have spent) plenty of time in the station without headaches happening.

I will not renew this account. I don't play a game to get headaches.

I would like to suggest, if changes are eventually made to the icons, this info be emailed to recently lost accounts as, personally, I would be happy to resubscribe and try things out again. I have enjoyed playing EVE.

But, I will not pay in advance for an annual subscription again as a result of this event, and consider myself lucky this subscription is running out at this time.

This whole situation was created, and is ongoing, because of CCP's actions, inactions, and lack of communication.

Enough said.

Stimulus Rote Kapelle 1,256
Vic Jefferson Stimulus Rote Kapelle Likes received: 1,256	#1579 - 2015-06-12 18:02:54 UTC 9 Aurilia-Yvonne Lyonne wrote: This whole situation was created, and is ongoing, because of CCP's actions, inactions, and lack of communication. Enough said. Don't forget arrogance and pride. Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?