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Carnyx release - General feedback

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Staxu
Cyrk stracencow
#621 - 2015-06-03 08:16:15 UTC
John WarpingSlow wrote:
The overview icons... Oh god.




Is there any way to go back to old overview?? Don't take it wrong I really do like most of your new things, like colorful anomalies and signatures indicators...but that overview...cmon. I don't say get rid of it, just let people use old one too.
Vitaly Just
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#622 - 2015-06-03 08:18:33 UTC
I like new overview icons Roll And yes, we need time to get used to it, but now overview has become much more informative then before.

And graphical changes with ships are AWESOME!
KazakArkov
Machine Heart Gaming
#623 - 2015-06-03 08:22:56 UTC  |  Edited by: KazakArkov
Patch crashed my PC and caused me to loose a Vargur, I'm telling ya it was not as much fun as it sounds. Had to reinstall the entire game again after several times of trying to repair the game. Fun times. Still didn't fix it at all. Wtf is going on here...
Staxu
Cyrk stracencow
#624 - 2015-06-03 08:26:23 UTC
Nami Miyasaki wrote:
The icons are awesome!

Objectively good artistic work.

Only reason why people dont like them is because they havent become used to associate the icons yet.



So how many ship people should wreck to learn the new icons? this is terrible. We need option "go back to old overview", that should be easy for so good team of programmers.
Steroidastroid Ormand
#625 - 2015-06-03 08:27:18 UTC
CCP Surge wrote:
Anyone else think a custom "icon color" would be a good option to expose to aid in situational awareness?


Not icon color. Just make player ships look more different than npcs. bolder maybe
Arbor Wattle
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#626 - 2015-06-03 08:31:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Arbor Wattle
Why is the patch so big. I just looked at how much was download 2.4g.

Why so big? i am on metered internet after a set amount and i dont want to pay for eve and extra internet.
Pytonus Inlautus
Half Empty
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#627 - 2015-06-03 08:35:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Pytonus Inlautus
CCP Surge wrote:
Anyone else think a custom "icon color" would be a good option to expose to aid in situational awareness?
Some way to change the player controlled ships icons would be great. Be it by color or (or even better and) baldness. I think EVE needs some solutions for the color blind anyway. Adding the option to actually change NPC / Rats / Player icons colors would be great.
Staxu
Cyrk stracencow
#628 - 2015-06-03 08:38:15 UTC
DHuncan wrote:
I logged, undocked, saw the icons, docked back again and logged off.


Will see how many ships I'll wreck trying learn new overview and maybe will dock until update fixing that horrible thing.
Sturmwolke
#629 - 2015-06-03 08:40:42 UTC
Overview icons, a positive improvement from those horrible concepts put forward in the last blog regarding the icons. These new icons are quite decent.

However (echoing some earlier posts), those lightly shaded NPCs are problematic. They're almost indistinguishable from player icons.
Either increase their shading, turn them solid white or change their color to a green hue (which sort compliments the std red NPCs).

The extra granularity for some containers and wrecks are also somewhat debatable. 8 different designs for containers is imo, too granular.
Start with less, expand if absolutely necessary. Shaded vs non-shaded wrecks for NPC vs player touches on the same visibility issue as the 2nd paragraph. It's a quandry that needs a proper solution.
Anah Sarlai
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#630 - 2015-06-03 08:42:41 UTC
Hi CCP, i only have 1 suggestion concidering icons

The battleship icon is hilariously small compared to the battlecruiser one, the feel of bigger ship targetting/watching from overview completly lost its way.
Others are quite fine, but could you atleast do something about the icons to really give the feel back ure targetting something big? at the oldscool crossing u could always see (basicly from the fill % in the icon space gives it) how big target ure targetting
Kaeda Maxwell
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#631 - 2015-06-03 08:45:18 UTC
New icons are really hard to make out at 90% UI scaling.
Cyrexoziz
SEPTAGON TRANS-ILLUMINATI CORPORATION
Kurnivors
#632 - 2015-06-03 08:46:28 UTC
Are you ppl huffin' noble gasses or something ?!?! What the hell is this sh*t ??? Triangles for bogeys ? "Oh the triangle flips over and poops when it becomes a wreck, how neat... NO!!!" And the Overview icons looks like something from a 90's game ?! And i only JUST logged in.
Valenas Grayson
Operation Grayskull
#633 - 2015-06-03 08:47:18 UTC
Well I think the new icons -do- look like mini- space invaders. This needs some getting used to and I agree that there is a lot of room for improvement. I especially like the ideas of differentiating between player and non-player ships.
DHuncan
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#634 - 2015-06-03 08:47:57 UTC
I'm starting to like them brackets.

What did you say about CODE?
bigM
Trotters Interstellar Logistics
#635 - 2015-06-03 08:50:35 UTC
Have to say im not having any of the bugs or issues others are reporting everything running fine here.
only issue i have is with these awful new icons in overview as im sure its been said before "why fix what isnt broken"
not a fan of them at all :(
Lahnius
#636 - 2015-06-03 08:51:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Lahnius
CCP Surge wrote:

For now a few things

  • I urge patience. There are dozens of new icons to learn, and it might take the brain a while to untangle the new "messy blob" at first. Post back in a few days and share if they've changed your game for better or worse after you've gotten a little more comfortable identifying them. We'll be keeping an eye on this post initial-reaction feedback closely.
  • Check out this image to help learn your icons: http://images.contentful.com/kvd74o0q2fjg/4Hgu1BcYAE22wgokiKeYO4/4001f1c3132cc7749d9d25ec8851798e/NewOvervieBracket-IconsImage.jpg?w=1920&fm=jpg&q=85
  • While “deconstructive feedback” is cathartic in some ways I am sure, it’s likely not going to help get your point across. We are looking for specific feedback: What specifically don't you like about the new icons? Can you share an in-game story or experience which backs up your conclusions? It's the kind of feedback that's most useful to us when making calls on these types of things.
  • We've taken seriously the calls to include a "use classic bracket icons" option. Originally we thought having two sets of icons in the client might just cause confusion and miscommunication among players, and tough learning/teaching decisions for newbros as well as vets welcoming them in. However these concerns might be overblown, especially in regards to little bracket icons. In any case its definitely a debate worth having.


Thanks for reading!



GET USED TO??????????????

fact is fact - the icons look like crap, the icons hurt peoples eyes, the icons are awkward and clumsy.

come on now, look at them, they look like something out of this:

what the icons remind me of

DAY 2 AND NOPE, I STILL THINK THE ICONS LOOK LIKE COMPLETE S**T!
Mark Yanning
Zeura Brotherhood
#637 - 2015-06-03 08:56:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark Yanning
I really don't understand the need to change icons. Before they were clean enough. Now is a big mess and they are pretty ugly (exept for the frozen corpse). They look all similar.. also now the frigs have an icon of a "beacon". Maybe is just a matter of getting used to, but really, if I could, I would be back to the old ones.

-1 to the new icons
+1 to have an option to be back to the old ones (please)

p.s. Also, the cruiser icon looks like a little house...
Steijn
Quay Industries
#638 - 2015-06-03 08:57:24 UTC
Arbor Wattle wrote:
Why is the patch so big. I just looked at how much was download 2.4g.

Why so big? i am on metered internet after a set amount and i dont want to pay for eve and extra internet.


because you have it set to download all resources, if you uncheck that i think it goes down to 50Mb ish.
Elise Sancta
Durance.
#639 - 2015-06-03 08:59:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Elise Sancta
*enables brackets*

"Hey FC, there is a wreck burning to us.....oh wait it is a Sabre bubbling us"
"hey I am surrounded by tiny houses and our titan pilot is a sergeant now"


HORRID implementations of the new icons, just bring back the old niche pre-2010 UI style theme with the old font + jukebox which made the game look unique. Or at least make it a selectable option

Or better, make a way to let players mod their UI, so we can make it look the way WE want it. Some games thrive on that possibility and last longer because of it.
Steijn
Quay Industries
#640 - 2015-06-03 09:03:30 UTC
anyone else having issues with PI extractor units taking 3 sometimes 4 clicks to open wheras a double click used to do it? Looks like they have implemented a delay so that it has to be 2 noticeable clicks and not 2 quick ones anymore. Ugh