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Dear CCP,

I formally request a spoon or possibly spork with which to fork out my own eyes due to these awful icons.

Sincerely,
Tal

XOXOXO

OMG!!

You went ahead and release the stupid icons!! I see the "feedback" is only heeded when it agrees with your ideas and points of view.

These icons are a total mess!! Hard to understand and they add soo much more information that it's meaningless.

Please bring the old icons back!

Please do not remove the circles on the disruptable services icons.

They are red when the service has been disabled, and this clearly shows which services are active and which are not, and need to remain visible when cloaking and scouting a station, without having to select them.

Players that do not want to see them should simply turn the services icons off in their brackets/overviews.

OVERVIEW ICON FEEDBACK:

The immediate impression (not meant as "destructive" but honestly what went through my mind at first use):

Is it a stargate or a freighter?
Wait, stargate is filled, or is that an oblonged planet symbol glitch?
Is that a frigate or a squadron fleet booster icon symbol near me?
Wait, another frigate now looks like the old depot symbol, but completely different from the other frigate... or wait.. what is that?
Getting to our POS, suddenly a whole new slew of questions and pauses literally came into view:
Is it a secure can or a laser battery now?
Why do POS arrays and labs look so completely different from each other symbol-wise (honestly, I'm feeling a bit arcade-nostalgic: is it a "squiggly jellyfish" or an "open frog mouth" in an 8-bit arcade game)?

Then it kept hitting me: I have this weird feeling like I'm playing Pac-Man's and Frogger's love-child.

I couldn't get it out of my mind... And then I had my serious afterthoughts before constructing this feedback (for now):

Those questions waxing nostalgic in my mind (above) are examples of the many differentiating issues that went through my head continuously with what also seemed like a "lack of cohesion" to a basic build off an attempted idea of an "Overview overhaul".

However, it wasn't (and still isn't) making a lot of "connective/logical" sense. I suddenly became aware I was spending more time trying to figure out "what is what" in space rather than playing the game and "adjusting" - the oh so unthoughtfully unproductive response some have given conveyed with "oh you'll adjust" or "people don't like change" that some have responded with.

And THAT was clencher: "It isn't making sense". It didn't become "past tense".
"What IS what?" continued with each system jump, each movement, each destination arrived at. Just when I thought I was getting some idea of "intent" of iconography, something else passed by me, or popped up in the Overview that continued my quandry.

If there was a "method to the madness" iconographic approach, then I had hoped I'd have understood it after a few system jumps/routine activity testing. But after 3 hours, I still wasn't adjusting. It became clear in my mind that this new set of symbols lacked cohesion/sense.

Example: Previously, a "bracket" rectangle with someone's name gave my brain an understanding that I was near a ship, and the shape/size of that simple bracket gave me a quick idea of relative size of that ship.. and I knew immediately it was a player's ship, not an NPC ship. Now, however, everything is not as it seems, and I wasn't even in a heavily populated system. Hell, it may have been a glitch, but I passed by two frigates: each one had DIFFERENT symbols. So just when I thought I understood "size", I failed. Then a freighter went by, and I didn't think "oh, another ship"... That was hinting to a problem for ship iconography. Also it hinted at a problem of consistancy.

Then the issue of objects other than ships came into the mix. The "method to the madness" was not obvious at all:
If "solid" objects are "shaded"/"filled" symbols like planets, stations, and even the odd "pebble" like icon of an asteroid belt, then my brain asked the next logical question: Why are stargates shaded? Are they oval planets- wait, no, the aroow, but.. And then I questioned: why are Customs Offices and POS towers "hollow" (unshaded) squares? Even the labs, arrays and refineries (which are logically "solid" objects in space) are hollow, not shaded. They also may all be POS modules in orbit around a tower, but there is no shape-cohesion to make "sense" of. ("Is that a refinery or a hollow magnet?", seriously was a visual question my brain was flip-flopping back and forth on. Seriously.)

The lack of consistency is definitely something that should be re-addressed. After all, if your symbol for navigation to "warp to and jump through" a stargate icon is an arrow going through a HOLLOW, perfect CIRCLE, but the symbol for the stargate in the Overview just below those options is not a perfect circle AND it also is shaded, then something needs to be addressed on consistency. I do not look forward to seeing the various ship shapes and other symbols I'll have to sort out on a mission or when I visit a system like Jita, but if I feel that way already, the mental hesitation marks will remain indelible until some changes are made.

If a reverted "simple" bracket system and correction to the stargate and POS/outpost symbols are re-visited, re-addressed and redesigned - along with some color changes or options implemented (I was not able to determine an untouched from a touched wreck/can, for example), then perhaps this change would not be so jarring and continually affective to my visual assessment to gameplay every new relocation. And yes, if one reads this sentence correctly: It is possible that the Overview of the game can be "continually affective" and jarring to me now, in its current state, and therefore be "ineffective" to me the entire time I am not docked.

A point of curiosity for the developers working with other DEV groups on issue fixes:

Considering the (admittedly impressive) litany of "Misc:" notes CCP documented as "fixed" in the Patch Notes, such as "fixed capitalization error in description" here, "removed an extra space in mission wording" there... I had hoped there would have to have been some thought/discussion/effort to fixing actually reported, "broken" issues instead of "fixing" what was not, technically, "broken".

Were any consistently reported issues at all addressed?

I can see one that still is an issue: Since 2014, you still haven't addressed the inability to "Drag items to sell" for corporate selling of multiple items. I have been trying to pro-actively (and productively) report such issues with each upgrade via issues, bug tickets, and petitions since a year ago on that one alone.

Need to say that with these icons Eve Online lost significant part of it's appearance. These icons look like some draft. You know: when I develop some graphical application I create some fast simple icons to work on functionality. Few minutes in paint and i can work.

But these icons inside Eve Online environment? I don't know.... They don't belong here!

Will wait few days for some fixes... Else maybe it's time to make pause with the game.....

OH goodie adding moar broken stuff , launcher has not worked in close to a year woohoo . today it impossible to play great job on the upgrades . BTW upgrading yourselfs right out of a job ............pfft

I'd also like to point out that some ships with full quality settings have too much rust/dust.
Golem is an example, also for example oracle.

i am sorry but if you aim was to give us a better awareness of the surroundings then how does overview icons in which u cant tell whats what really provide that?

i mean did you even test these? How can u justify that they improvement your awareness.. everything looks the same...

Any change in the icons at all would cause the need of having to get used to the changes, this fact does not determine if the new icons are good or bad as even the best icons possible would have to undergo the same learning process from the players.

Regardless of they being good or bad, the icons did need change. Many icons were the same for multiple classes of ships, and they didn't have any connection with ship classes, in fact they had no creativity at all -- they were stupid squares.

Your feeling torwards changes is understandable, as you can see most players are having the same, but I'm sure you will get over it soon.

I personally didn't like some icons, like the Rookie Ship icon being so small, and the fact its smaller than the Drone's, but whatever.

What I know for a fact is that I've never seen a change that every single player agrees to be positive. Even if they made the game free there would be people complaining, which is precisely why its so hard to get CCP to hear anyone, because people just complain out of impulse and therefore their demands cannot be taken seriously.

So instead of throwing poop at things on first sight, lets be good reviewers and keep an open mind, give changes a chance, just to see how it works, and after some experience if we still agree its that bad, then I'm sure CCP will make the necessary adjusts.

Just as everyone else I too will have to get used to the changes, but I'm sure my IQ allows me to overcome this "challenge". That aside, I think the fact we now have distinct icons for each ship class, rats includeded, is pretty good news by itself.

I prefer to use the 90% setting since it gives more 'space' for various windows, scanning windows, chat tab box, etc. I don't do this due to small monitor size, I'm using a 32 inch 1080p flatpanel T.V. via it's HDMI port. When I'm in places I shouldn't be, solo, eating space rocks to reprocess and build from, I need all the space I can beg borrow and steal for D-Scan, Cargo Hold, Probe Scan, Places Tab to pop warp and leave if need be, and to just have a better view around my ship for paranoia checking. As I cannot scale many of those windows before they're unusable, it's 90% and text set to 11 as a compromise.

>Jeven