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So in this post you talk about the icons being flawed but you chalk everyone else's negative response as being bitter and lazy.... It sounds like you are confused as to whom you are supposed to be representing. Someone slap a CCP sticker on his forehead

So . . . . . ?

but over time, answered valid issues will make people get used to, notice that they actually see a more detailed grid, and live with it perfectly*, haters will quit Eve Online, and won't be missed.*

Well, thats what i call arrogant and short-sighted:

......but you probably fit well with the CCP staff in charge Cleanse.

The people you call "haters" and gloat over ther good riddance - mind to take a look at them? Many of those helped to pay CCP's bills for many years and invested largely in this game (be it in terms of money or time or both). Many of them couldnt be farther from your "professional complainers" and forum trolls.....
The eve universe is loosing dearly, when those respected friends and enemies are forced out.

Forced out by sub par development and rash changes to the UI, that for so many years allowed them to participate here.



And thats exactly the point why the old Icons worked perfectly - important differences were transported through more than one channnel (shape AND color). No matter what kind of visual impairment you had, you never could confuse an empty white bracket with a red cross. And such clear distinctions also helped reaction times and instant sitiuational assesment of non vision impaired players. You dont need to be a rocket scientist to anticipate that the reduction of this grown funtionality will create frustration with part of the players. (and as we could learn in this thread exactly that was predicted by some CSM member)

yeah, good riddance with part of your loyal supporters and customers - for what gain ever ....

haha dear...you hear and read only what you want..like CCP

If you only start reading at the beginning of this thread....

What else do you want ? - to use the old icons together with new ones

I will repeat my self like a idiot especially for you to UNDERSTAND for 100 time

PVP/PVE players DO NOT cares about new icons like station icons, belts icons, pos modules icons, star icons, gate icons etc etc.
PVP/PVE players cares ONLY for the ships icons - to be the same like the old ones for all ship classes!!

Asking for a customization, i have nothing against that.
Asking for an option to roll back, i don't like that.
Why ?
As simple as going backward is not something i want for Eve Online and see CCP doing this.

I wish as well that CCP could give us a full mod-able UI, but that would also put barriers between old-set players with their own UI, Alliance with their own UI, etcetera, i think that it would split the community more than everything else.

I wish that CCP did not take us away the RGB sliders from the UI months ago, specially with those glowing effect, it could've been awsome to chose theiur colors.
But i've dealt with it, and i moved on.
I'm still hopping that they will someday give it back.

Best option now is to adapt from those new icones, and help enhancing them AS THEY ARE, because we all know now that they (CCP) WILL NOT roll back or give any customizable options at all.

I feel I need to put this into perspective, after reading carefully through the graph at eve offline, and various wikipedia articles.
Incarna, the most cursed patch in eve history, knocked the player count from
56k(an unusual peak in itself, 4k higher then the months around),
to 51k, a month later, that's 8% of the playerbase, if we count in an extreme way.

A more balanced way would be to ignore the unusual top on june 19th, two days before Incarna release, and say, compare the 53k average peaks on may, to the 50k average in july, which is closer to 5% of the player base


In contrast, last week's peak was the lowest one since 2007, that I find
at 33k, down from 39k a month before.
long term data isnt in yet, but:
If i'm reading this right, that's a drop of 7k players, and at 15% of the player base.
And the down curve is still going.

Making Carnyx, do significantly MORE DAMAGE THAN INCARNA.
On top of that, the graph since 2014 does NOT look good, but I'll need to do more research before I'm willing to guess why that is.

But the bottom line is, at incarna, players complained their ****** off.
Then they staged a protest and shot up a statue.
At Carnyx, it looks like people just said "**** this, I quit"

Player login data thanks to http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Please someone tell me this is wrong.(and if so, why/how)

Putting this in a seperate post, to not distract from the point of the other post.
Personally, I have been feeling like eve hasn't had a lot of NEW stuff since that 2014 peak.
It's all rehash after rebalance, after ajustments. after asset update, which I'm honestly getting very tired of.

Reading through the patch notes on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansions_of_Eve_Online, the old expansions mostly had new stuff, and very little messing with pre-existing stuff.
And the old patches, when they did mess with old features, it was never removing any of it
(aside from the jukebox, I still miss the jukebox)

I just cant look forward to patches that have features like "we replaced parts of the UI"
I dread those patches, and then look to what new stuff there is.. often gets forgotten in the sidelines.
And I cant look forward to patches when there are this many of them, my focus on patches, in the new 6 week release schedule has changed from excitement, to trying to keep track of it all.


it feels like CCP has stopped TRYING to build up hype for expansions.
There used to be a lot of news about exciting things we should look forward to.
Where did that go?
Getting hard to market "expansions" when there are this many of them isnt it?
And with no marketing, players are surprised by patches, rather than looking forward to them.

Seriously I have lost count of the times I have logged on, to see everyone and their dog, go "oh, WTF? is it patch day now?"

CCP, please stop THAT approach.
bring back the days where we had a clear advance notice of a patch day(other than just being told to mark a spot every 6 weeks on the calendar)
And the days of "exciting things to come" news.
I remember my friends talking about what they wanted to do with the stratios, for WEEKS, before they actually got their hands on it.

In contrast, I HAD TO TELL PEOPLE THAT THERE WERE NOW T3 DESTROYERS.
that was TWO WEEKS ago.
THEY(plural) were SURPRISED.
Please notice the massive missed potential for building up hype and excitement.
That's a huge factor in keeping people playing.

Sorry for the caps section, but I'm not joking, it's happened several times now that I need to explain to people that something cool came in a recent patch.
I thought people were news blind or something, but then I thought to myself,
I'm not very clear on what's "coming soon", and I only knew of a few of those things because I read patch notes.
You used to have huge ads for "cool stuff coming soon"
Now I need to search for it.

This is pretty much what I feel.
I wonder which group is bigger, people that found an ad, and tried eve, or people that got pulled into eve by someone that was already playing?
well, CCP has some clue on that, but we can only guess.

The drop started in 2014 actually, February 9th 2014 was a peak(57213), and from there there has been steady decline.
In 2014 there was also a very sharp drop in the amount of communication CCP had with the playerbase.
That was the last ingame event with any actual actors present wasnt it?
That was also when the hype news stopped.
That was also when some of the top management structute inside CCP changed wasn't it?

And yeah, incarna CQ was forced for a while, and then they re-added the ability to let people ship-spin.
But that was graphics, in station, and didn't actually break core gameplay.
I am getting used to the new icons slowly, but they are still inferior to the old in many ways, and I note, I would have been happy to learn the new at my own pace, had this been an OPTION, like the map.
In particular, I don't want to PVP with the new icons, and competition, in exploration, is only really visible once yellow wrecks appear, that is VERY annoying.


I remember a time when I reccomended CCP as one of the best companies in gaming, due to the amount of communication with the playerbase.
I remember being proud to be an eve player back in 2003, when I was at a local tour they were holding, when they told us, that noone could work at CCP unless they were actively playing the game in question.

I'm sad to feel that this time has passed, and we are now facing another corporate brick wall.

A fair point, one affects gameplay more than the other. Incarna was a lot of fearmongering about macro-transactions and gold ammo. It threatened to unbalance gameplay. But if you're going to write about game-affecting changes, there's a "worse" change that collected more irritation than this one. It affected every player, even the ones that never undock. And now it's faded into the background and hardly mentioned: Unified Inventory. My prediction: given an equal amount of time, these overview icon changes will fade in their "infamy," just like the Unified Inventory overhaul has.