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Carnyx release - General feedback

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Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
#2081 - 2015-06-24 07:14:33 UTC
Panterata wrote:
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CCP Claymore, probably you are colorblind and not see my post because I repost it for 3rd time

So any chance to use old ships and npc icons for ALL SHIPS CLASSES as ppl wishes? - shiny squares and shiny red crosses

Or to customize them as per old one for all ships classes as ppl wish? - shiny squares and shiny red crosses

As you can see most of the ppl wants them. Pls reply

Why don't you give us a straight answer for the most important questions ?! 2078 ppl waiting more then a 3 weeks

CCP Claymore wrote:
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are you going to reinstate the old icons, even if only as a temporary measure?


The simple answer at the moment is no.

Without going into too much detail as the blog will cover it, we have ideas to simplify the current system from the feedback on this thread and discussions from the CSM.



https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5823796#post5824020
Panterata
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2082 - 2015-06-24 07:19:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Panterata
So if is like that - again we will not get what we want and this is not an answer !
John Lawyer
Doomheim
#2083 - 2015-06-24 08:34:09 UTC
Words about adapting to something stupid makes me laugh, really.

Just imagine you had a 100k$/year job and for some reason you've been "demoted" to like 40k$/year.

Now, you came to boss and asking - "WTF? Am I doing something wrong?"

He said "No, you're absolutely fine, Jon, but we had to restructurize our company, blablalba..."

So, will you dumblessly say "Okay.." and try to 'adapt' to new lifestyle or begin to search ways to get back what you had?

I think the answer is obvious - and this is what we are doing - trying to rescue EVE by so called 'whining', cancelling subs and (SUDDENLY) providing very constructive and accurate feedback with gifs and detailed explanations! Dam! Every gamedev is dreaming about such loyal volunteer&free software testers.
Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
Red Serpent Alliance
#2084 - 2015-06-24 10:03:16 UTC
As much as i apreciate an CCP dev visiting this thread again (at long last) - the answers you try to deliver are bound to lower my hopes for CCP even more.... you are basically saying that you insist on polishing your turd. Good luck with that.

With such an attitude, even when you finally succeed in lessening the negative impact of these new icons for the people concerned, you will have lost a considerable number of them ... Would you care to give me your estimate how many new customers/players this exciting new icons will draw into the game in exchange?

Isnt it strange that I, a mere visitor of you ecosystem, seem to be more concerned about such losses than you, that actually makes his living from these people? How are your feelings when you look at the (additonal) plunge in Eve's gametraffic during these last weeks?

John Lawyer wrote:

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So, will you dumblessly say "Okay.." and try to 'adapt' to new lifestyle or .....................

Creatively misunderstanding your post, let me assure you that people like CCP Surge and Claymore most likey will have to adjust to just these kind of changes in the not too far future... same probably goes for the lead dev for letting all these "minor" things seemingly happen without any adequate measures of direction and control.
Edward Olmops
Gunboat Commando
#2085 - 2015-06-24 10:06:48 UTC
Panterata wrote:
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CCP Claymore

So any chance to use old ships and npc icons for ALL SHIPS CLASSES? - shiny squares and shiny red crosses

Or to customize them as per old one for all ships classes? - shiny squares and shiny red crosses

As you can see most of the ppl wants them. Pls reply

Why don't you give us a straight answer for the most important questions ?! 2109 ppl waiting more then a 3 weeks


That is not very likely. I know NO ONE who actually wants the old icons back.
Everything is so much better now.
You can actually see what is happening without looking at your overview.
And most of the icons are intuitive.
Little person floating in space? -> frozen corpse
I never had to look that up in some arcane databases or on EVE-Uni web pages - it was just there, I saw it and knew what it meant. Works like magic.

That does not mean that there isn't room for improvement, but please never ever seriously consider rolling back to the old icons!
(and having it optional SOUNDS like a solution, but for the sanity of CCP's programmers, I would try to have not too many optional things)
uhnboy ghost
Corporation 98237776
#2086 - 2015-06-24 10:20:06 UTC  |  Edited by: uhnboy ghost
John Lawyer wrote:
Words about adapting to something stupid makes me laugh, really.

Just imagine you had a 100k$/year job and for some reason you've been "demoted" to like 40k$/year.

Now, you came to boss and asking - "WTF? Am I doing something wrong?"

He said "No, you're absolutely fine, Jon, but we had to restructurize our company, blablalba..."

So, will you dumblessly say "Okay.." and try to 'adapt' to new lifestyle or begin to search ways to get back what you had?

I think the answer is obvious - and this is what we are doing - trying to rescue EVE by so called 'whining', cancelling subs and (SUDDENLY) providing very constructive and accurate feedback with gifs and detailed explanations! Dam! Every gamedev is dreaming about such loyal volunteer&free software testers.


i can only speak for my self but if i loved that company ^^ (in this case eve online) i wholde first try to get my 100k/year ( old icons) back = 6 post about how i cant see the icons doto my bad eyes and havent logged on to eve for 22 days now, do i was on sisi yesterday ) and telling the company what the problem is.

then the company say NO!! u cant have the 100k/year back

then i have 2 options:
1. well, nice working (playing) whit u, now F off im finding a jobb thats gives me 100k/year
2. but sence i love the company (eve) and really want to stay i will try to get maybe 70-80k/year by making suggestions etc and if thats fails then option 1 is the only option
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in plain text =
i LOVE eve online
i cant play whit the new icons, doto my bad eyes
ccp say they never coming back,
the new icons will never be as good as the old ones was BUT ccp is trying to change them so i can maybe play again so ofc i will give them input on them
if we still dont have a set of icons thats works for all of us after all the changes then im out

//uhnboy 84K probe scans in 2014 http://i.imgur.com/Uaid5iu.png

Panterata
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2087 - 2015-06-24 11:38:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Panterata
Edward Olmops wrote:
Panterata wrote:
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CCP Claymore

So any chance to use old ships and npc icons for ALL SHIPS CLASSES? - shiny squares and shiny red crosses

Or to customize them as per old one for all ships classes? - shiny squares and shiny red crosses

As you can see most of the ppl wants them. Pls reply

Why don't you give us a straight answer for the most important questions ?! 2109 ppl waiting more then a 3 weeks


That is not very likely. I know NO ONE who actually wants the old icons back.

......


That does not mean that there isn't room for improvement, but please never ever seriously consider rolling back to the old icons!
(and having it optional SOUNDS like a solution, but for the sanity of CCP's programmers, I would try to have not too many optional things)


I'm very tired to explain to everyone

Edward start from page 1 and you will see how many ppl "don't" want the old icons or at least to have a options to use them
Marian Devers
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
#2088 - 2015-06-24 12:02:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Marian Devers
CCP, don't be afraid to bring the old icons back or to add an option to use old icons.

Us players aready realised that the design department has been turning out new icons just to justify their salary (starting with the damage control icon). No need to hide it from us.

Maybe you're hiding it from CCP Seagull? She'll find out sooner or later you know =P

Just admit you were wrong, add an option to use old icons, and tell the design department to go back to redrawing caldari ships.
UFO Beta
Tactical Totoro
#2089 - 2015-06-24 12:30:25 UTC
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CCP Claymore, probably you are colorblind and not see my post because I repost it for 3rd time

So any chance to use old ships and npc icons for ALL SHIPS CLASSES as ppl wishes? - shiny squares and shiny red crosses

Or to customize them as per old one for all ships classes as ppl wish? - shiny squares and shiny red crosses

As you can see most of the ppl wants them. Pls reply

Why don't you give us a straight answer for the most important questions ?! moremore ppl waiting more then a 3 weeks

P.S. Also, please inform to the shareholders of the CCP, much of the community views the situation with a "new overview" is deliberate sabotage by the game designers. I freeze 4 of subscription until they return the "old overview".
DexterShark
Trask Industries
#2090 - 2015-06-24 12:48:13 UTC
As the saying goes; "you can't polish a turd" - But I guess we are going to have to watch CCP double down and try to do exactly that for the next few months. So, good luck with that!

You are trying to fix a problem that never existed - the original brackets were fine - and now a fundamental part of the game is, it seems, irreparably broken.

This is just getting embarrassing for all involved.
Panterata
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2091 - 2015-06-24 13:56:27 UTC
So CCP Claymore or anyone else,

Do you need anymore pages and feedback as you can see that MAJORITY of the ppl want old icons back or at least to have an options to use them??
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#2092 - 2015-06-24 13:58:44 UTC
Edward Olmops wrote:
Panterata wrote:
Copy - Paste

CCP Claymore

So any chance to use old ships and npc icons for ALL SHIPS CLASSES? - shiny squares and shiny red crosses

Or to customize them as per old one for all ships classes? - shiny squares and shiny red crosses

As you can see most of the ppl wants them. Pls reply

Why don't you give us a straight answer for the most important questions ?! 2109 ppl waiting more then a 3 weeks


That is not very likely. I know NO ONE who actually wants the old icons back.
Everything is so much better now.
You can actually see what is happening without looking at your overview.
And most of the icons are intuitive.
Little person floating in space? -> frozen corpse
I never had to look that up in some arcane databases or on EVE-Uni web pages - it was just there, I saw it and knew what it meant. Works like magic.

That does not mean that there isn't room for improvement, but please never ever seriously consider rolling back to the old icons!
(and having it optional SOUNDS like a solution, but for the sanity of CCP's programmers, I would try to have not too many optional things)


Pls. Stop trolling. We dont have 90+ pages because no one wants the old icons back. all of my alliance mates think the new icons are shyte and want the old ones back. The only exception is the little corpse which people think is funny. But there you go - close to hundred players over approximately 10 different corps, want the old icons back, and yes I know all of them and have discussed this very issue with them frequently. Not a day goes by without someone saying f-- CCP for messing with the icons. Why are people upset? Because for many they are not intuitive and you cant see what is happening from your overview. Of course its worse for older folk and/or those with poorer eyesight who play this game and people with smaller monitors.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Sykaotic
Doomheim
#2093 - 2015-06-24 16:18:09 UTC
Marian Devers wrote:
CCP, don't be afraid to bring the old icons back or to add an option to use old icons.


Perhaps you should try typing using modern symbols instead of this old fashioned caveman text or maybe binary code Idea

Panterata
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2094 - 2015-06-24 16:48:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Panterata
Sykaotic wrote:
Marian Devers wrote:
CCP, don't be afraid to bring the old icons back or to add an option to use old icons.


Perhaps you should try typing using modern symbols instead of this old fashioned caveman text or maybe binary code Idea



Voice of CCP - we will implement modern symbols in the next patch and you will be enforced to convene....if you like it or not! Big smile
Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
#2095 - 2015-06-24 17:02:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Cleanse Serce
Panterata wrote:
Voice of CCP - we will implement modern symbols in the next patch and you will be enforced to convene....if you like it or not! Big smile

That's the issue you seem to still not understand, you and your fellows.
We and CCP do not care about your subjective points.
Like or Dislike won't make the thing change or getting better.
Panterata
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2096 - 2015-06-24 17:13:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Panterata
Cleanse Serce wrote:
Panterata wrote:
Voice of CCP - we will implement modern symbols in the next patch and you will be enforced to convene....if you like it or not! Big smile

That's the issue you seem to still not understand, you and your fellows.
We and CCP do not care about your subjective points.
Like or Dislike won't make the thing change or getting better.


Exactly...that is pathetic

And as I saw your KB stat and your born date ingame...you will understand that after 4-5 years... probably..but I'm sure that you will not start understand this game at all
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#2097 - 2015-06-24 19:02:34 UTC
Cleanse Serce wrote:
Panterata wrote:
Voice of CCP - we will implement modern symbols in the next patch and you will be enforced to convene....if you like it or not! Big smile

That's the issue you seem to still not understand, you and your fellows.
We and CCP do not care about your subjective points.
Like or Dislike won't make the thing change or getting better.


Well fanboi, when its just you and CCP left circle jerking each other, make sure you ask ccp to thank you for being their white knight, cause you dont get any other prize for being the last person in a game before they turn out the lights, cause that's where that type of thinking leads.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2098 - 2015-06-24 20:27:40 UTC
Panterata wrote:
Sykaotic wrote:
Marian Devers wrote:
CCP, don't be afraid to bring the old icons back or to add an option to use old icons.


Perhaps you should try typing using modern symbols instead of this old fashioned caveman text or maybe binary code Idea



Voice of CCP - we will implement modern symbols in the next patch and you will be enforced to convene....if you like it or not! Big smile




Unfortunately, I think getting them to make progress in making the new icons better is the best we're going to see. These kinds of decisions have me looking at other games, not because I necessarily want to, but because if this 'decision making' is going to continue, then they'll chase off the remaining players and I'd rather have something I've considered the next best thing.

But, the changes CCP Claymore has presented will help a bit, and I don't want to discourage that when the only alternative CCP is offering is the terrible way things are now.

As for the color-blind chart, Jared, thanks for that! It's nice to be able to 'step in someone else's shoes' a little bit that way.
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2099 - 2015-06-24 20:41:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Joia Crenca
To veer off into interesting territory for me, then to come back to the main subject:

There's a bit of an 'opposite' color vision defect that only women have, as far as we know. Humans have 'trichromatic' vision, or we can see and mix red, green and blue wavelengths of light to form our vision picture. All of the genes for this are on the X chromosome, which is why men, with an XY pair, are more subject to color blindness than women, with their XX genes. If the color vision genes on the X chromosome are faulty, men don't have a 'backup' on the Y side. Women do, however, because of the 2nd X.

But, if a woman has a faulty color vision gene on one X chromosome, but it's still functioning enough to give instructions on color vision, then what can happen is that she can see in a combination of 4 colors, instead of 3 like most people. So if you're looking at a solid red object that looks uniformly red to you, she may see several shades of red on that object because she has the ability to perceive color in greater detail. It's possible, but difficult to tell who has this ability.

But going back to the icons/color subject, I guess I'll be glad to see what is offered on SiSi. I'm just glad CCP doesn't have to make their income by selling milk. Whoever forced the issue of staying with the current icon iteration might get the idea of coloring all the milk a shade of rotten green. We'd have to fight just to get it more to a mint green, but would have to give up on white milk.
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#2100 - 2015-06-24 20:54:55 UTC
The brilliance of the previous icon set was, it didn't matter HOW many colors you could see or couldn't see, it was plainly obvious what everything was by shape and shade alone.

You could very realistically have played EvE in black and white before the icon changes, and suffered no ill effects. A great case of less is more, and why the current system is a case of more is less.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?