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Iphigeneia

Center for Advanced Studies

Gallente Federation

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#2001 - 2015-06-21 22:05:28 UTC

Cleanse Serce wrote:

Iphigeneia wrote:

Obviously, because not everyone is you. Please, for the love of whatever you worship, stop assuming that because it works for you, it must therefore work exactly the same for everyone else.

Your posts are so narrow-minded it astonishes me.

I just showing that their argument is as bad as mine.

Stating "i'm distinguishing less than before with those changes" is as stupid as stating "i'm sayin more than before".
By doing so i'm poiting out that if you're distinguishing less and me more, who is right ?
Noone.

That's the funny thing about opinions. They aren't facts. Opinions, therefore, aren't right or wrong.

There's a solid group of people whose opinion of these icons are that they are much more difficult to use to distinguish ships, items, celestials, etc than before. There's a solid group of people whose opinion of these icons are that they are great and show far more information quickly than the old set.

NEITHER GROUP IS WRONG.

But because CCP has a) pushed out this change after testing on Sisi without implenting much, if any, of the changes recommended by the feedback and b) now admitted that the icons could have been done better, especially including an admission that the icons AREN'T showing as intended on 90% scaling, the FACT becomes that the icons are not a finished product and will be improved.

So, in order for CCP to best improve the icons to suit the MOST players, they need to hear feedback. FROM BOTH SIDES. So if you think the icons are great, tell CCP what's so good about them. If you think they suck ass, then say why.

Attacking people who don't think your way is completely counterproductive. And yes, that goes for everyone, not just the people who like the icons, btw. However, I've seen more trolling from the people who claim the icons are great...

Rio Bravo

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Caldari State

Likes received: 71

#2002 - 2015-06-21 22:06:38 UTC | Edited by: Rio Bravo

EvE Online is not a charity. Sorry for vision troubles, we all have restraints...It shouldn't affect other players gameplay though. That is why CCP is at this moment making the Icon system customizable. There problem solved!

I for one, would like to use the woman's bathroom at the mall. It would be exciting! But I am not allowed to go in there. Not to fear, I have options! People that stop me, point me to the Men's washroom. Curses! Foiled again...So there are washrooms for people with different needs. Family ones too, with diaper disposal.

So, CCP in effect made two washrooms. One for vision impared pilots (that probably should not be driving a spaceship, maybe their insurance should be increased)...and one for Regular all-seeing pilots that would clearly have all advantage in PvP against those who have to fly their ship with Brail.

I sound insensative, but neither should I be beholden to people that have a disability on the other side of the world when I want to fly my spaceship with enhanced icons.

Roll

EDIT: I am aware that the customizable icon menu is not finished/released yet.

“You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. I dig.” - Clint Eastwood, misquote.

Lonesome Capsuleer 80
Cleanse Serce Lonesome Capsuleer Likes received: 80	#2003 - 2015-06-21 22:11:12 UTC 1 Iphigeneia wrote: NEITHER GROUP IS WRONG. The only thing i've done here is responding to people saying ROLL BACK with no arguments, sayin they are the majority. I should've ignored those one and focus on the content.

Iphigeneia

Center for Advanced Studies

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 34

#2004 - 2015-06-21 22:19:51 UTC

Rio Bravo wrote:

Minor quibble:

Problem isn't solved until they actually roll out updated and corrected icon sets, and the icon customisation they've promised.

Problem is being addressed. It's quite possible they'll make things worse than before, you know. And quite possible the icons will be ten times better. I'm personally waiting to celebrate the solving of the problems until they've actually been... solved.


Cleanse Serce Lonesome Capsuleer Likes received: 80	#2005 - 2015-06-21 22:33:52 UTC 1 I'm kinda skeptical about that customizable icone they would give to us. Remember they tokk us away the RGB sliders for UI ? I'm still mad about it :'(


Rio Bravo Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State Likes received: 71	#2006 - 2015-06-21 22:35:33 UTC Cleanse Serce wrote: I'm kinda skeptical about that customizable icone they would give to us. Remember they tokk us away the RGB sliders for UI ? I'm still mad about it :'( RGB Sliders? What was that? “You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. I dig.” - Clint Eastwood, misquote.

Micky Forcet

Fortis fortuna adiuvat

Likes received: 13

#2007 - 2015-06-21 22:35:58 UTC

There should have been immediate roll back.. as clearly the release is not fit for TQ release...

There are a number of issues regardless of the icons themselves..

Once peeps with sight difficulties raised issues, it should have been rolled back straight away if there was not a quick fix..

The whole ICONGATE puts CCP in a very poor place, and shows how zeal for changes sake, regardless of impact on the whole EVE community, is very very disappointing..


Cleanse Serce Lonesome Capsuleer Likes received: 80	#2008 - 2015-06-21 22:42:57 UTC \| Edited by: Cleanse Serce Rio Bravo wrote: Cleanse Serce wrote: I'm kinda skeptical about that customizable icone they would give to us. Remember they tokk us away the RGB sliders for UI ? I'm still mad about it :'( RGB Sliders? What was that? Before UI revamp we had sliders to precisely chose the color of the different part of UI.


Rio Bravo Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State Likes received: 71	#2009 - 2015-06-21 22:48:46 UTC 1 Oh right, I remember RGB Sliders...I miss the Jukebox too, now null just moans and groans at me, like its passing a stone or something... “You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. I dig.” - Clint Eastwood, misquote.

Immortal Legion 77
Natascha Kerenski Immortal Legion Likes received: 77	#2010 - 2015-06-21 22:55:12 UTC 1 6 hours eve ambient my jukebox workaround “Fighting for peace is like having sex for virginity."

SamuraiJack

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

Likes received: 174

#2011 - 2015-06-21 22:56:23 UTC

Well thats two CSM posters in this thread. I suppose after 100 pages it was about time.

Doesnt really get much hope up for Eve this year if neither CCP or CSM are listening/acting.

/me goes back to playing Steam Sale games instead.

PS i have popcorn ordered for the Sov thread whenever CCP drop that on TQ for "testing" i mean live play...

SJ's Chronicles - http://www.fanfiction.net/u/2103579/CLS-SamuraiJack

SamuraiJack

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

Likes received: 174

#2012 - 2015-06-21 22:59:49 UTC

Maybe the CSM should have a post about what has been achieved last year and what they'd like to achieve this year?

Active issues being discussed etc so we can see if anything is being done. I know prerelease stuff is under NDA but surely that hitlist of issues in eve they want handled should be able to be discussed?

Otherwise you just appear to be sitting on the mountain doing nothing.

Lets hear some news.

Cos when i looked the other day the CSM forums on here havent been touched since "hey CSM has new members"

SJ's Chronicles - http://www.fanfiction.net/u/2103579/CLS-SamuraiJack


SamuraiJack Caldari Provisions Caldari State Likes received: 174	#2013 - 2015-06-21 23:01:00 UTC 1 Oh and i highly suggest you bitchslap ISD/CCP into making that CSM post appear on the launcher. You know. Publicity Profile and all? Given these forums are a cesspool of scum and villainy. SJ's Chronicles - http://www.fanfiction.net/u/2103579/CLS-SamuraiJack


Rio Bravo Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State Likes received: 71	#2014 - 2015-06-21 23:13:56 UTC Natascha Kerenski wrote: 6 hours eve ambient my jukebox workaround It's like I fell in love all over again, Thanks! “You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. I dig.” - Clint Eastwood, misquote.

SamuraiJack

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

Likes received: 174

#2015 - 2015-06-21 23:26:41 UTC

http://www.modenstudios.com/EVE/music/

https://soundcloud.com/ccpgames

CCP have annoying habit of posting themes as WAV files. Also their MP3s generally dont have tags.

There is also a huge original client dump of eve music on evefiles

Search http://eve-files.com/ using terms like "soundtrack" or "music" or "sound", etc.

Example:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Xercodo/EVE_In-Game_Soundtrack.zip
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Nu11u5/EVE_Soundtrack-Revelations_1.4_Edition.zip
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Pennwisedom/Eve_Soundtrack%5B1%5D.zip

There is a missing track thou. The original "Akat Mountains" is sadly missing from CCPs Soundcloud.

it is however... here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C_WwNcMizc and here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4Kt2vw2XNM

This version appears to be a remake of somekind? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxjyojLPqmc

SJ's Chronicles - http://www.fanfiction.net/u/2103579/CLS-SamuraiJack

Sgt Ocker

What Corp is it

Likes received: 1,401

#2016 - 2015-06-21 23:51:29 UTC

Mike Azariah wrote:

I have been active in the split off thread in regards to the icons as the main general thread is too noisy to make any decent headway in. But here I am.

Yes, the 90% issue needs a fix fast as does the colour blind. Yes I like the logic of the new sets and think it is more in the details of the implemntation that in the change itself.

A lot of the reaction is from people who have almsot automated their responses over the years to tge old ways and object to being asked to learn a new set. IF it is visible (90% and colour) and if it has an internal logic then I am ok with the change

Oh and drones need to look less like ships

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See if you can talk to them about the default "sort by color of tag and background", it really is a pain when there are 400+ items in your overview and your trying to get ship types together.

All icons need to do is line up correctly in my overview so I can at a glance of the "type" column, pick my next target. (whether he is -5, -10, is mostly irrelevant).

Oh and a way to play with overviews while docked would be a nice addition.

My opinions are mine.

If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Sky Marshal

State War Academy

Caldari State

Likes received: 156

#2017 - 2015-06-21 23:53:49 UTC | Edited by: Sky Marshal

Cleanse Serce wrote:

3.4.5.
This site show nothing at all ABOUT the changes. That's a general downward trend that started before the new release calendar. There is no correlation.

Because bad expansions won't have any impact ?

As I said, I think that the bad expansions of 2013 was the start of this negative trend. The new release calendar is a response to the incoming competitors and to this trend, but as the recent ones added bad changes like the destruction of the UI, obviously it will help to maintain the trend downward, and maybe amplify it.

As long that CCP will continue like this, they will never manage to correct this situation.

Circumstantial Evidence

Likes received: 419

#2018 - 2015-06-22 00:05:21 UTC

SamuraiJack wrote:

CSM Sugar Kyle writes prolifically on her blog - you can go over to her mountain, and even leave polite messages at her doorstep ;)

Sugar Kyle on LowSecLifestyle, 2015-May-31 wrote:

Icons will also be changing on Tuesday. I've played with them. I'm not in love with them and I don't find them to be visually more understandable. There is visually more of them and the difference between them is more noticeable than the gradient of red cross size that we have had for so long. I'm up in the air about it. I, however, predict enormous fall out and anger from the player base that does not visit Sisi when they log in on Tuesday and their overview and in space icons are all different. Rollbacks will be demanded. I then predict a lot of random deaths and mistakes in general as people learn the new icons.


Cleanse Serce Lonesome Capsuleer Likes received: 80	#2019 - 2015-06-22 09:17:33 UTC Circumstantial Evidence wrote: on her blog - you can go over to her mountain Thanks for sharing this blog. ♥

Fatal and The rabbit The G0dfathers 27
haralampijem Fatal and The rabbit The G0dfathers Likes received: 27	#2020 - 2015-06-22 09:30:33 UTC 5 For me the problem with icons is solved.....I don't play Eve online anymore.