Warfare & Tactics

Come see how well your stabbed alt works at helping you dock in any of the stations that i have ships in.

Yes, im sure a good proportion of their LP coms from attacking systems that people have ships in.

some easy things to improving FW

• KM for iHubs -> to see pilots who participate in militias
• intermilittias/interwarzones gates (what about Arzad-Kedama and Egmar-Agoze?) just for militia members (there is no interest to make neutrals/powerblocs move better)
• make system upgrades usable - pos fuel reduction for militias, free repair service at station, me sale for manufacturing, but only for militia members (they spend time and LP's, not neuts)
• autosuspect for neuts entering fw plex
• make ranks usable and makes every promotion with standing + (because all demotions = standing loss)

+ how solve tier switching -> just change system of LP rewards, if Amarr pilots in C/G WZ, he just get Caldary LP (apply caldary tier) .... intermilita farming alts influence rapidly decrease

One of the greatest reasons we hit teir 5 -- touched it for a MOMENT -- was the fact that in Inferno you could do a Medium with a fast frigate that didn't need any weapons. When passive timers were rolled out and NPC's needing to be cleared was obligatory, this changed everything and farmers that fed our momentum had less affect offensively plexing. We never hit 5 again, but sometimes high 4. The rat had major deeps, then major tank. Missions cannot be churned in SB's, but only in high SP hulls. If your argument that SB's can be caught, so much more HAC's that don't exactly turn on the dime either. Your reasons for being okay with SB's but not mwd+cloak Ishtars is blind to these practically being so similar, with the benefit to anything that can sport a Cov Ops cloak -- which is not an Ishtar. Tier is most definitely influenced by missioning in Amarr/Cal/Min warzones when you can game 500k/1m LP in a single t4/t5 night. Just bump the lvl 0 systems to 3's as you pass by on your merry way, wiping your tears of laughter with electrical data slabs displaying your Isk.
::edit:: I don't see these as separate issues unrelated to cashouts, as they most certainly are the highest impact factors of cashouts and motivator of the pendulum of FW sov manipulation. ::edit::




I agree with that one, but I doubt the fleet mechanics will ever be changed for this. More likely they will release a new mod that has a ranged boost of 300km. That would be more realistic than reconstructing how fleet bonuses are measured, imo.

1- yes pls
2 - this isnt good idea imo, there will be more useless ppl in militia that will be there just for using this gate system with the soon(tm-maybe never) to be implemented whoever can join militia
3 - pos is obsolete system soon with new structures
4 - neuts entering plex will get suspect or something, its already confirmed from csm minutes - noone knows when that happens though might be years again before something changes in militia
5 - fixing standigs today is too damn easy, anyone can hop militia which is the biggest issue


FW shoud be about fighting not farming

You get isk indirectly or nobodywould bother with them. The insertion of a loyalty point store middle man doesnt change the fact that isk is the end result.

Thanks for translating that. Isk is actually generated during missions (along with LP, just like a normal mission), about 2m-4m depending on the mission and if you can clear it soon enough to receive the bonus ISK, otherwise it is half that, roughly. Nerfing payouts by tier across every activity would do little, as it would balance out for farmers in that price hike and only harm plexing income. You can burn through missions as fast as you can, but you can't make a timer count down faster. The disparity between gains per hour will still be quite stupid. I'm leaning more and more to just axe missions out once and for all.. But I'll still try to push the unqualified advanced hull restriction on activating the mission acceleration gates. There's gotta be something the winning side can still do if they are on top. Moar medals, (once this is balanced) would be nice.

Overall the lp store is an isk sink, and fw missions are likely a net isk sink. E.g., Running 2 level 4 missions pays about 8 mill isk and 100k lp. Cashing out the 100k lp will usually mean paying more than 8 mill isk to the npc lp store.

But FW is killing the lp stores. LP payouts need to be reduced. I would suggest something along these lines:

All plexing be at current tier 2 payouts. Plexing pay would not change based on the tier a faction is at.

If your faction is at tier 5 mission payouts should be the current tier 3 payouts. If your faction is at tier 4 the missions should pay out at the current tier 2 level. If you faction is at tier 3 or lower they would pay out at the current tier 1 level. This would increase the pay of plexing relative to missioning.

It would also create a natural balance. As one faction gained sov/tiers more people would mission for that faction. Missioning does not effect sov but it would eventually decrease the value of that lp allowing the other factions to have an incentive for their pilots to plex.

@Aria There are enough variations of LP items that it is hard enough to drive one item down in cost unless it is done all at once, as when the cash-outs were done. Even then, SFI's still sold at 20m and Firetails at 4m. Many Comet's get bought. Many Comet's die. LP items get sold, LP turns into ISK. I'm having a hard time turning your argument over in my head. The comparison to moon extractions, Sleeper loot, and even PI can be made, yet there they are. And so is ISK. Has it not occurred to you that these items have ENABLED some to tap pure isk faucets? Selling a datacore for a ship, which becomes an Ishtar that, after it's own turn sold, is turned into a null sec ratting ship...

Maybe it's that we are busy actually playing the game and have shown ourselves willing and able to adapt to changes. We are hardy players that actually ENJOY playing Eve. Who would have thought! FW continues to get better, even if slowly. Two steps forward, one step back. The majority of players and influence are just not here in lowsec, sadly, even though the whole of Eve seems to love to wander on down here. We can argue about the tiercide changes and t1 rebalance, and how there has be no space that has benefited more in these changes than lowsec. We use all this crap.