Warfare & Tactics

Farming isnt such a problem since inferno was fixed.

No one expects anyone in FW to do anything. You choose what you want to do, and do it. remember to keep it realistic for fear of disappointing yourself.

Specialising in any activity is always the best way to complete that one activity. It is however to the detriment of other activities.

No farming alt is worth a single isk if there is a pvp toon opposing him.

What you are complaining about is like complaining that the game is broken because its faster to build a dominix with a maxed out industry toon than it is with a 30 day trial account.

Well if you aren't willing to go out and lock down the system from the farmers then you need to stop whining about them. (oops might have you confused with Cearain)

The whole stabbed frig thing is really just an excuse. Most of the people I know that have left FW (and there have been a few I must admit) really left because they had been doing it for so long that they wanted to do something different.

The thing with FW is that everyone is in the militia not an organised driven single alliance. So everyone plays the way they want which is exactly the reason it appeals to people.

Not talking about one system, I'm talking about the ENTIRE WARZONE.

The man-hours aren't there for the regular militia to make much of a difference. All we can do is hold onto our home systems.

This isn't about a different playstyle. The farmers hurt the real players by decreasing their income. Why keep your main in FW when you can just use a plexing alt or mission runner to fund your main in nulsec?



For every real pvper there are two farmers. The pvpers aren't going to chase rabbits all day, he's going to go and look for something that shoots back, something that is actually worth something.

As I have said, the farmers inundate the market with the LP store items and drive down the prices, which hurts EVERYONE in every militia.

Worthless LP. We're talking LP/isk conversions that are on par with highsec level 4 LP. The decline of FW has gone hand in hand with the rise of the farmers.

I doubt CCP's goal with the rewards for plexing was the end-game of stabbed plex farmers paying for supers used by neutrals.

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I suppose with your entire FW career consisting of 2 kills I shouldn't have dignified your comments with a response.

Well if you're hiding behind an alt.......

The only proof you have that you know anything about FW is 3 kills. You've dabbled, that's it. If you're fighting for farmer's rights that probably means you're running multiple farmer accounts and feel 'entitled' to that income.

The guys that have been living FW for years say something is wrong, that means something is wrong. Axing the farmers and the easy missions, the LP will be worth something again and it'll attract more people to come to the sandbox.

And I see another nobody in a non-FW npc corp defending farmer income. So how many farmer accounts you run?

Check and balance to the eve market? The lion's share of the LP earned in each militia is from farming and mission running. They aren't out for pvp, the income is all they want. They avoid any and all pvp, which adds nothing to the warzone in the way of content for others.

They are content black holes. Without them injecting all those LP store items into the market, the prices would be much higher. That would attract the right kinds of players into FW and we'd have things the way they used to be.

Recruitment?

Hey, come join us in amarr militia!

What kind of perks are there?

Empty lowsec, devalued LP, worthless farmer frigates to chase, endless deplexing for pennies.

Okay then, I think I'll go join gallente militia.

A nuisance in the home systems, but they are everywhere you are not, plexing. Every day, all day. Six of us keep two constellations safe, but we're a rarity. Most people in a militia don't bother because they're roaming looking for ganks, and the guys that do roam don't have two scrams fitted so they don't bother.

Pretty much all of 2014 we were chasing farmers and bombers all day long. Suffering from burnout, we got tired of it and went on a long campaign hitting the minmatar home systems, because that was the only way we could get fights.

For FW to be healthy again, like it used to be, something has to be done about the easy LP. Without the easy LP, the people who are all-in will have a much better income and it'll be an attractive incentive to join the militias.

Then we'll get the pew like we used to. As is, if you're in a militia you're a holdout or just in for the easy isk.

I remember the good old days, not a single fight ever happened inside a plex. You were inviting mockery to suggest such a thing. So good.

FW is awesome atm. Sorry it requires effort and a little commitment. Sorry there are people farming and making isk in systems that dont matter to you.

What i said earlier about being realistic kind of implies making the best of the situation, good or bad. I know it was worse for you guys during inferno since for so long you were beaten down to tier 1. As much as gallente come across as egotistical, its a fact that we did a lot worse during inferno than caldari did. With a single tier 5 cash out during the whole affair compaired to 6-7 caldari tier 5 cash outs. Which puts us, iirc, as the worst performing militia during inferno.

But now is nothing like that. So what if you hit tier 1. It doesnt matter, your LP inflates in value to compensate to some degree. The fights arrive on your doorstep. Perhaps a grand campaign decides to take your homesystem from you and you have to have a vicious fight where losing your home is a realistic proposition. Does it mean FW is broken? no. If you approach it correctly and give it your all, it can be fun, Its a game, is it awesome? It can be. Be realistic.

That is not quite how I see the old AvsM warzone but pretty close.

After LNA and FeO left the field of play for Min there was no real strength in the Min Militia and the olde guard Amarr managed to get the medal with help from blob / plex work from Winmatar and the farmers jumping sides on the pendulum.

The Amarr vet's that remain (MCF1B followed many other vets from Minmatar over to the Cal vs Gal zone) are not struggling. The fortress systems are held and they have even worked a few system gains recently but there is no stomach for the type of plex work required for so few pilots and tbh what is there to motivate them - no 2nd medal (ask Galmil).

The Minmatar Militia has been trying to regroup and from my last views of them they are working systems and plex's in groups of 10-20 in order to capture systems (I've not been over there for 2-3 months now though). Whilst avoiding fleet battles in the main. Huola was defended for a while by the Min Russian groups.

Most of the pilots that enjoyed getting in to fights, quit through frustration (I wonder if you are Loryanna?) went neutral in the hope of building a neut entity that can take low sec moons or went where there were clearly more fights to be had in Cal vs Gal.

AvsM zone shows the extremes of the situation brought about because a number of FW mechanisms are out of balance and farming is too rewarding at minimal risk, for parties that are not interested in enjoying the fullness the FW WZ's could offer (most often because they have other interests for their mains - null sec Sov and getting a Super, etc...)

The fact that there is no long term incentive and no real recognition/reward system for FW PvP means that, for many, FW is a temporary stop. People like to see their accomplishments recognised - look at how much hard work GalMil put in for a 2nd WZ control and they got nowt but a memory.

There is much that could be done to incentivise loyalty and long term investment and there is much that could be done to increase the conflict drivers in the Militia WZ's. A penalty on low risk rewards would not go amiss either.