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Do not train to fly battleships
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#101 - 2015-05-17 11:05:36 UTC
What a silly thread.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2015-05-18 08:23:47 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:

Nope. I am not going to let you not include T3s. Again if you re read the first post you will see that I couldn't care less about what fit you used to kill a frig or cruiser, just that for the SP invested, battleships don't do anything smaller ships or cap ship can do better. Except for high sec structure fights/PVE.


Ok ok so T3's ... they do a lot of things too well (needs moar nerf), and some do specific things really really well which make FC's go cross eyed.

But theyre still not the end all. And SP wise there isnt much between a T3 and a BS....

You say that there is always another ship that will do the job better than a BS... fine... Some fleet ships that are pretty basic...

Please show me a sub cap that isnt a BS that can hit with an alpha 10000dmg out to 70km with over 100k hp? (Maelstrom)

Or perhaps 800dps at 80km with over 150k hp? (Abaddon)

Wont touch Navy or faction ships because that might be a bit unfair... and cost seems to be a problem for you... (no srp?)

No Worries
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#103 - 2015-05-18 08:58:15 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:

snark!


Look. I am not saying CCP needs to change anything. I am recommending to players, hopefully newer ones, instead of taking the mission ship route, take the lesser traveled T2/T3 route. They will get the superior ship faster and be able to do more fun EVE stuff than if they scaled to battleship. It is not about my ship loss rate or proper fittings. It is about being able to do more with our time as players and enjoying all of EVE.


are you serious? lesser traveled than T3? if you belong to a group that has a "home" and assets to defend then you better have that BS trained to level 5 or you'll loose it.

Just Add Water
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#104 - 2015-05-18 18:30:51 UTC
Quote:
You wanna snipe? Use the large guns BC
Tanking? Just outmaneuver them a la (T2/T3)
Wanna clear out smaller ships? Use Amarr or Gallente crusier or frig
You wanna kill other battleships? Use cap ships


You want to get sniped back? Fly a weak tank BC.
Speed tank? Web/point.
Hitting flies with a sledgehammer is for idiots. That hardly means sledgehammers are useless.
Cap ships dont go in hisec and most wspace, and are gankbait when they do. Ironically, to battleships.

As I said, your lack of understanding of mechanics constitutes a small novel. I suggest Eve U.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Joe Atei
Aes Dei Asher
#105 - 2015-05-18 19:41:32 UTC
Meh, some people would argue that I'm a battleship pilot (sub cap pilot really), but I never once felt like they were weak. Maybe people are just bad at using them.
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#106 - 2015-05-18 21:06:07 UTC
On paper damage and theoretical fleets, are impractical for this discussion. On paper, battleships put out a lot of damage. In practice, they are not so impressive.

Again, there are very few practical reasons to use a battleship. Yes you can fit one to be a flyswatter. But why not fly a destroyer? Or a battle cruiser?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#107 - 2015-05-18 21:08:43 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
On paper damage and theoretical fleets, are impractical for this discussion. On paper, battleships put out a lot of damage. In practice, they are not so impressive.

Again, there are very few practical reasons to use a battleship. Yes you can fit one to be a flyswatter. But why not fly a destroyer? Or a battle cruiser?


Because both of those melt before a well fitted and flown battleship.
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#108 - 2015-05-18 21:24:22 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
On paper damage and theoretical fleets, are impractical for this discussion. On paper, battleships put out a lot of damage. In practice, they are not so impressive.

Again, there are very few practical reasons to use a battleship. Yes you can fit one to be a flyswatter. But why not fly a destroyer? Or a battle cruiser?


Because both of those melt before a well fitted and flown battleship.


Dismissed as circumstantial.
Paranoid Loyd
#109 - 2015-05-18 21:26:59 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
On paper damage and theoretical fleets, are impractical for this discussion. On paper, battleships put out a lot of damage. In practice, they are not so impressive.

Again, there are very few practical reasons to use a battleship. Yes you can fit one to be a flyswatter. But why not fly a destroyer? Or a battle cruiser?


Because both of those melt before a well fitted and flown battleship.


Dismissed as circumstantial.

Dismissed as clueless.

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#110 - 2015-05-18 21:34:23 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
I will say it again. A fleet of properly fit ships is always going to to be better than a solo poorly fit ship. A fleet of properly fit ships is not always better than a fleet of properly fit other ships.


hey i see alot of people using battleships to counter the ishtar, thats a t2 cruiser so whats the crack?

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#111 - 2015-05-18 21:36:01 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
What a silly thread.



Coming from a guy that has never actually flown a BS. The nerve.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#112 - 2015-05-18 22:00:44 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Aza Ebanu wrote:


Dismissed as circumstantial.


We just put Delve to the torch again with domi fleet as our primary doctrine.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#113 - 2015-05-18 22:04:13 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
What a silly thread.



Coming from a guy that has never actually flown a BS. The nerve.



Turns out he has. Two poorly fitted PVE battleships that were killed by a solo destroyer and a fleet with a token drakeLol
Azn
Doomheim
#114 - 2015-05-18 23:34:11 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:


Shot some red crosses in lowsec in my terrible BS and got owned by a Svipul.

I'm pretty pissed because I should have been able to beat him, after all I paid more for my ship and skills / awareness / experience mean nothing.

Here's what you should do if you're terrible. Don't train for battleships. In fact, don't train for anything bigger than a frigate.




Am I close?

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#115 - 2015-05-19 02:38:47 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
On paper damage and theoretical fleets, are impractical for this discussion. On paper, battleships put out a lot of damage. In practice, they are not so impressive.

Again, there are very few practical reasons to use a battleship. Yes you can fit one to be a flyswatter. But why not fly a destroyer? Or a battle cruiser?


FFS.

Because battleships do significantly more damage, and can receive more damage, that's why.

I don't really give 2 ***** about paper DPS myself. We're talking real time in game damage.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#116 - 2015-05-19 05:54:09 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
What a silly thread.


I remember writing a post about for the SP invested t1 frigs are way better than t3 cruisers, but I think I forgot to hit post, and/or thought it was just too silly and deleted it... the longer this thread goes on the less silly it seems.

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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2015-05-19 06:49:39 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
On paper damage and theoretical fleets, are impractical for this discussion. On paper, battleships put out a lot of damage. In practice, they are not so impressive.

Again, there are very few practical reasons to use a battleship. Yes you can fit one to be a flyswatter. But why not fly a destroyer? Or a battle cruiser?


Because both of those melt before a well fitted and flown battleship.


Dismissed as circumstantial.



Perhaps some hard evidence?

Or should I say some MORE since you ignored the golem stomping ALL THE THINGS.


Also, dismissing Baltecs advice on battleships is like ignoring a doctor in favour of listening to the guy in the park shouting at the trees...
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2015-05-19 07:55:56 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
Aza Ebanu wrote:
On paper damage and theoretical fleets, are impractical for this discussion. On paper, battleships put out a lot of damage. In practice, they are not so impressive.

Again, there are very few practical reasons to use a battleship. Yes you can fit one to be a flyswatter. But why not fly a destroyer? Or a battle cruiser?


Theoretic fleets??? Battleship fleets are REAL dude Straight

Paper Dps? They DO put out a lot of dps... is pretty easy to compensate for tracking or similar in a fleet, which means your apparent paper dps suddenly starts smashing all the little cruisers.

Also battleship fleets can volly carriers off field. This has happened.... Every 15 seconds.... Blap carrier dead, Blap carrier dead... (ok more like every 5 mins... anyone that complains of lag or tidi now has no idea lol)

No Worries
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#119 - 2015-05-19 08:20:37 UTC
afkalt wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
On paper damage and theoretical fleets, are impractical for this discussion. On paper, battleships put out a lot of damage. In practice, they are not so impressive.

Again, there are very few practical reasons to use a battleship. Yes you can fit one to be a flyswatter. But why not fly a destroyer? Or a battle cruiser?


Because both of those melt before a well fitted and flown battleship.


Dismissed as circumstantial.



Perhaps some hard evidence?

Or should I say some MORE since you ignored the golem stomping ALL THE THINGS.


Also, dismissing Baltecs advice on battleships is like ignoring a doctor in favour of listening to the guy in the park shouting at the trees...

I didn't dismiss him out a lack of respect. I respect all of the folks on this forum, but his reply was off topic. I don't care what you fit the ship with, or for what role. I am just saying it isn't the ship the designers make it out to be. They are fun to fly, but are largely impractical for too much of the game. Especially for the skill points required.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#120 - 2015-05-19 08:23:03 UTC
best thing i ever done was train battleship to lvl 5, fck t3's when you have marauders and blops

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*