EVE General Discussion

After reading the Blog post on Citadels, they seem rather pointless in HS.

Like every thing else in this game, it's all about making it easy to allow PVP in HS.

And as an addition, PvP can take different forms in different areas of space. Variety is the spice of life. Why can't highsec have low value not too hard to kill points of conflict that might be meaningful to one guy and his friends but wouldn't be meaningful in the grand scheme of things?

Except item safety isn't about high sec, it's about null sec and structure use. High sec just gets it by extension also.
If items are not safe in structures, no-one will put them in structures to start with.

What you fly is at risk, and I'll never ever support changing that, what you are actively using (i.e. manufacturing jobs, citadels) should also always be at risk.
But something sitting around in mothballs should not be at risk. Otherwise people simply won't move out into those areas, and will just stay living out of NPC stations with the bare minimum they can possibly live with in a player structure. And that's not a good way to create fun. This includes ships people are currently not flying, and super caps who are offline (even if moored).

Sure, people like shiny loot drops, but there can be a balance where the use of the structure for jobs and the modules/salvage themselves are shiny enough, imagine if when you destroy a structure, if it was half way through a production run of 50 Thoraxes, it said 'enough time has gone by for 25 to have been made, so I'm going to roll the loot fairy dice for 25 thoraxes, and also on the remaining 50% of the raw materials as well, and you might even get a BPC with 25 runs left on it (or a bpo)).
Suddenly you get shiny loot drops from the jobs in progress, rather than simply destroying all jobs in progress outright. But the persons individual assets just sitting in storage are safe. Both sides win there.

It can, but the carebears will of course whine endlessly about not being safe enough.

Because it is literally impossible for it to ever be safe enough for carebears. They will want to be safer even when it is totally impossible for anyone to attack them in any way.

The item safety arguement doesn't really apply to highsec as why would anyone in highsec store their valuables in a destructible citadel anyway when nearly every system is already full of indestructible npc stations?

POCOs work because by owning a poco you actually get benefits from it and people are willing to fight over those benefits as each planet can only have one poco. The new player owned structures should likewise provide similar benefits, under similar limitations, to the people who own them and that will partly offset the risk of having an asset floating in space while still giving points of conflict.

They are a huge market, indeed.

You are so fake, really.
That huge market is a market full of sad people with issues.

If you don't believe that, simply look at the games these people play.
How these games feed these people with fake senses of superiority
and how they manipulate them.

That's the carebears.
A huge market full of victims.


I definitely do not have a little carebear inside of me.

No sane person wants even more of these kind of "people" around here.
They are self centered, self entitled, greedy, have gigantic personality issues,
and a lot of other things which you can find spread out in a lot of carebears
you can find right here on the forums.

Just look at Istanchuck or Basil.
How these people can actually participate in society makes me question society.



So ... No.

The last thing EVE needs is more losers who suck at living.

:) It's not going to be possible to get a real sense of our true selves on these forums, these virtual meeting places where we can wear any face.

The whole thing with the derision of carebears is an age old exercise in making ourselves feel better by putting others down.

We are tough and macho, true Rambos of unreality. Carebears are soft mewling and helpless.

Or that's the fiction anyhow.

The truth is...

Carebears have teeth.

I'm actually much worse in real life.

For my part, it's because I've grown tired of watching them kill perfectly good games with their mewling pleas for more safety in a PvP game.

I'm an Ultima Online refugee, after all.

In addition, I deride the concept that all opinions are equal and have equal merit, purely by virtue of belonging to someone who has managed to continue breathing up to this point. That's pretty much one of the dumbest ideas Mankind has ever put forth, if you ask me.

I blame the public school system, personally.