EVE General Discussion

Not clicking your blog, thanks.

As to risk aversion, I think new players should start in a Null Sec system with a SISI market for 12 hours. Then get transfered to the main server.

Thread summary so far:

- People aren't welping into a planned fleet.
- Sometimes the enemies are too small and just a hassle, so docking up happens and they are ignored.
- A few people feel that skill points create a barrier to being able to PVP.
- Knowing how to fly a good fit on a ship well is far better than a lot of random stuff such as a battleship with T1 modules and a fail fit.
- Whining that people do not fight simply because you appeared with your friends.

Didn't your last thread get locked?

Ship insurance is fine, it is not why people don't engage in PVP. Fun fact some folks just don't want to PVP.

IBTL.

I think its pretty clear as a generalization. Risk aversion when it comes to pvp in EvE is how someone generally (or doesn't) take a fight, when said fight is not assured victory ahead of time.

Its that point where you might win, or you might lose, but you decide to stay docked rather than give it a go.

Hope that helps.

Wrong. As described in the post, Brave Newbies didn't undock with 250+ friendlies in system and only 15 enemy dudes on their undock for 3 hours, until they had an FC who could authorize SRP come on and give a thumbs up.

I am also specifically talking to those that DO pvp, that within that sub-community there is angst over risk aversion, yet no one confronts the root cause.

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If ship insurance was realistic, it would be based on how many ships you personally lost and "claimed" on. Insurance companies make money.

In eve insurance is magic pixe money. I don't even bother insuring my ships most of the time. And making the game like every other MMO out there where death has no sting at all is just SOOO boring. If that is what you want. Play on the test server.

The way to counter risk aversion is to make everyone as stupid as the people who have convinced themselves they are not risk averse. In a way, this vapid culture of ours is doing it incrementally over time. However, another way of saying "risk averse" is "dumb as a rock."

I love how these mental giants come along and rewrite the history of humankind to suit their rather discombobulated
ego trips.

"Countering Risk Aversion" - at first that seems so knowledgeable. Then, just looking at the National Enquirer you get the same sort of confident proclamations: I Married An Alien, How To Lose 500 Pounds In One Day (yeah, divorce your wife.)

Keep 'em comin' though. We love to hear from the peanut gallery.

npc forum alts dont get to use plural.

post with your main if your going to put words in anyone's mouth

The problem is, you should never be happy to lose your ship, and cranking the protection too far can create silly situations where people suicide ships rather than spend half an hour gating them back home. Yes, I imagine some people take it too far, but I also imagine that at the fringe, its less a case of not wanting to lose a ship, its not wanting to lose. Undocking in to a 100% certain defeat is pointless and not fun for anyone, regardless of what cost or not is involved. In other games I have seen people go afk waiting for a battleground to finish because they were being mercilessly farmed, and there was no fun in being fodder for some sugared-up circle jumper - there was no cost to their losses, but they still elected not to fight because it had stopped being fun to do so.


Your example is of lower-skilled newbies not wanting to undock without an FC in to a high-skilled fleet with a talented FC in a tightly specialised comp. It had nothing to do with SRP, they just didn't want to get mown down by a clearly superior fighting force. There is no coincidence here that your alliance flys bubble immune sniper T3's instead of a slow-moving or brawling set-up, its because you don't want to lose ships either.

Everyone is to blame for this. People who lose want to stop losing. So they evolve their strategy to combat that. Tighter comps, rules of engagement to cut down on pointless welps, forming larger organisations and stronger ties to allies. Each time one side gets their ass repeatedly handed to them, they either collapse and are absorbed by stronger groups, or go away, review their tactics and doctrines, and come back tougher, so the other side in turn has to do the same. I'm not sure there is a cure to it, because the guy who steps back in the arms race is the guy who gets farmed, and has no fun doing so.

Strange...That's not what the two Brave Newbies that were so disgusted with their brethren told us, when they joined our fleet and comms and raged about how their buds were so risk adverse and unwilling to fight until they had SRP confirmed first.... :)

Hell, one of our richer dudes even offered to do the SRP for them... lolzors.

It is not ISK.
I could take a gang of T1 frigates and destroyers out every night and personally SRP all of them. I could get them to undock to fight every tourist that comes our way.

I do not find that type of gang fun enough to do more than in a blue moon.

I go about making ISK, join a few fleet but really keep my eye out for CTAs and Strat Ops.
Other than that I avoid PVP, it is too much hassle when it doesn't matter.