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Sugar Smacks
Khanid Royal Navy
Khanid.
#141 - 2015-04-27 15:28:58 UTC
Should make the sec status of the system a modifier of the incursion payout.

The higher the sec the incursion the lower the payout.
Sugar Smacks
Khanid Royal Navy
Khanid.
#142 - 2015-04-27 15:37:29 UTC
Joan Miles wrote:
All those tears and troll yelling because some people make ISK running incursions instead of, errmm I don't know, farming sleeper escalations in some safe blue corner of New Eden? Wow... just wow...

It's one thing asking for something to change because it negatively affects the game (or your gameplay). Asking for something to change however, because other people profit of it... That, my friends, takes some serious SPACE BAWLS !


I'm pretty sure the arugement is if this is how you accumulate money to pay for plex, then you aren't ever going to be really technically unsafe playing.

Meaning you'r whole playstyle revolves around maximizing your income while minimizing your risk.

This wouldn't matter for most games but a game like Eve probably shouldn't have an easy mode.

Devs should really ask themselves the worth of these as by pulling players into this guaranteed safe income, they pull from all the unsafe areas people actually pvped in.
On top of that most of these people are using the income to PLEX their accounts. Meaning this loud voice really isn't bringing any income into the game.

I am pretty sure people are all for PLEX, and being able to do it only in Hisec, but 3 hours a month? Seriously?
Cervix Thumper
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#143 - 2015-04-27 16:00:28 UTC
nope leave them as they are... I haven't participated in many but had a good time while I did. Nothing wrong with them
Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#144 - 2015-04-27 16:04:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Daerrol
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
I think its interesting to postulate what ccp would think of this.

If they nerf the insane isk incursion runners can make, some will cry and leave.
But they nerfed IsoBoxing and same thing, they still did it.

Now would ccp care if even dare say 25% of all incursioners unsubbed?
Wait for it....

THEY ALL PLEX ANYWAYS.

Now i am in economics 202 so i get someone paid for plex blah blah blah, yet still, those incursioners ARENT PUTTING THEIR REAL LIFE CASH INTO CCP.

So why WOULD ccp care if they balanced the insane isk they can make with basically zero risk (aside from falling asleep like some bear pointed out lmao)

Seriously, if ccp nerfs hisec incurion isk to make it in line with risk/reward and some bears cry and stop plexing their alts, i dont think ccps bottom line would be affected at all. If anything it would please the masses/rest of eve.

I was going to write a long reply to this inane statement but I'll keep it short. You realize CCP makes more money off accounts that are activated via plex than those which are paying a subscription fee, yes? If PLEX were to lose liquidity or worse crash in vaoue, no one would PLEX for ISK.
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#145 - 2015-04-27 16:11:44 UTC
It is important to note that it is the players who have made Incursions as profitable as they are (or are at least perceived to be).
I stopped running Incursions during one of the first inter-community disputes because I would log out at the end of a night all set-up in the system the community I was running with was focussed on, log back in the next evening and find that the Incursion was over and have to move my stuff to the next focus... Net risk, perhaps 40+ jumps with moderately high value ships and modules, 20+ jumps in capsule or abalative capsule armour (aka: shuttle); net gain... nil.

That is what the Incursion Income would show for many of those attempting to run them if not for the agreements the players themselves set up.
Players defined the period that each Incursion should remain active, players push for any no-contest rules (and incidentally, contests can really drastically reduce the income even if you do get into fleets before the incursion "moves").
The potential payout was certainly defined by CCP, but it is the players who have redefined the percentage of it which is available to them.

The sense of entitlement which flavoured every thread requesting a buff when the motherships were being popped regularly was amusing but that it is players who have changed the balance is important.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#146 - 2015-04-27 16:55:49 UTC
Daerrol wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
I think its interesting to postulate what ccp would think of this.

If they nerf the insane isk incursion runners can make, some will cry and leave.
But they nerfed IsoBoxing and same thing, they still did it.

Now would ccp care if even dare say 25% of all incursioners unsubbed?
Wait for it....

THEY ALL PLEX ANYWAYS.

Now i am in economics 202 so i get someone paid for plex blah blah blah, yet still, those incursioners ARENT PUTTING THEIR REAL LIFE CASH INTO CCP.

So why WOULD ccp care if they balanced the insane isk they can make with basically zero risk (aside from falling asleep like some bear pointed out lmao)

Seriously, if ccp nerfs hisec incurion isk to make it in line with risk/reward and some bears cry and stop plexing their alts, i dont think ccps bottom line would be affected at all. If anything it would please the masses/rest of eve.

I was going to write a long reply to this inane statement but I'll keep it short. You realize CCP makes more money off accounts that are activated via plex than those which are paying a subscription fee, yes? If PLEX were to lose liquidity or worse crash in vaoue, no one would PLEX for ISK.


How can ccp make money from people using isk for plex? People buy plex with rl cash so they make money from people who spend on plex not incursuon runners or freeplayers

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
FunGu Arsten
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#147 - 2015-04-27 17:09:36 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Daerrol wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
I think its interesting to postulate what ccp would think of this.

If they nerf the insane isk incursion runners can make, some will cry and leave.
But they nerfed IsoBoxing and same thing, they still did it.

Now would ccp care if even dare say 25% of all incursioners unsubbed?
Wait for it....

THEY ALL PLEX ANYWAYS.

Now i am in economics 202 so i get someone paid for plex blah blah blah, yet still, those incursioners ARENT PUTTING THEIR REAL LIFE CASH INTO CCP.

So why WOULD ccp care if they balanced the insane isk they can make with basically zero risk (aside from falling asleep like some bear pointed out lmao)

Seriously, if ccp nerfs hisec incurion isk to make it in line with risk/reward and some bears cry and stop plexing their alts, i dont think ccps bottom line would be affected at all. If anything it would please the masses/rest of eve.

I was going to write a long reply to this inane statement but I'll keep it short. You realize CCP makes more money off accounts that are activated via plex than those which are paying a subscription fee, yes? If PLEX were to lose liquidity or worse crash in vaoue, no one would PLEX for ISK.


How can ccp make money from people using isk for plex? People buy plex with rl cash so they make money from people who spend on plex not incursuon runners or freeplayers


the same way ships are free if you mine the ore
Gilan Isana
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#148 - 2015-04-27 17:13:06 UTC
Sansha Incursions will be dead soon anyway, so its a mute argument.

Risk Vs Reward will be more balanced when they switch to Drifter/Seeker incursions. . . . . . . .

Blink
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#149 - 2015-04-27 17:16:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarod Garamonde
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Or drastically drop their payouts not the point of killing them but to a more balanced level compared to other highsec activities.

Highsec Incursions payout WAY too much for the risk and time you take.

Many people run incursions to plex accounts log out for the month.

Theres little to no incentive to do anything else in the game once you start running incursions, you wont stop, and you will not do anything else other than your casual pvp on a random alt when the opportunity arises.

Incursions are a decease, they are killing/killed a major part of the game, took the need of doing and trying different things to make isks.

Hell theres not even a reason to leave highsec anymore, whats the incentive of null when you can make as much or even more in the safety of highsec?


Please put an end to incursions, its been far too long already, sanshas must go.



Highsec players deserve content, too, you know....
And it's not even like there's no risk. Incursions aren't easy at any level.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Solecist Project
#150 - 2015-04-27 17:19:31 UTC
If you think fully predictable content is hard ........

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#151 - 2015-04-27 17:19:45 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Or drastically drop their payouts not the point of killing them but to a more balanced level compared to other highsec activities.

Highsec Incursions payout WAY too much for the risk and time you take.

Many people run incursions to plex accounts log out for the month.

Theres little to no incentive to do anything else in the game once you start running incursions, you wont stop, and you will not do anything else other than your casual pvp on a random alt when the opportunity arises.

Incursions are a decease, they are killing/killed a major part of the game, took the need of doing and trying different things to make isks.

Hell theres not even a reason to leave highsec anymore, whats the incentive of null when you can make as much or even more in the safety of highsec?


Please put an end to incursions, its been far too long already, sanshas must go.



Highsec players deserve content, too, you know....
And it's not even like there's no risk. Incursions aren't easy at any level.


Content would still be available even if the reward was 1/1000000th of what it is. It's not a "content" question at all.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#152 - 2015-04-27 17:22:04 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Or drastically drop their payouts not the point of killing them but to a more balanced level compared to other highsec activities.

Highsec Incursions payout WAY too much for the risk and time you take.

Many people run incursions to plex accounts log out for the month.

Theres little to no incentive to do anything else in the game once you start running incursions, you wont stop, and you will not do anything else other than your casual pvp on a random alt when the opportunity arises.

Incursions are a decease, they are killing/killed a major part of the game, took the need of doing and trying different things to make isks.

Hell theres not even a reason to leave highsec anymore, whats the incentive of null when you can make as much or even more in the safety of highsec?


Please put an end to incursions, its been far too long already, sanshas must go.



Highsec players deserve content, too, you know....
And it's not even like there's no risk. Incursions aren't easy at any level.


Yea they are. All you need is a few logi and a smattering of battleships and a loki none of which are hard to fly. By all means keep the content is the payout that is the problem.
Mario Putzo
#153 - 2015-04-27 17:23:26 UTC
Never understood the QQ about PVE content rewards. If you think its fantastic, go do it. There is literally nothing stopping you from doing it. At all. Always amazes me that folks will whine about **** that others do when they can do it themselves. If Incursions were so awesomesauce than they would be the #1 source of ISK entering the game, but they aren't that crown goes to NS Ratting/Anoms.
Solecist Project
#154 - 2015-04-27 17:24:56 UTC
Reminds me of all the carebears who said ...

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY IT'S ABOUT THE COMMUNITY


... CCP lowered the income and boom, lies exposed as such.

No I don't recall what they did.
It doesn't matter at this point.

Greedy people will not stop telling lies just to make or save money.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#155 - 2015-04-27 17:26:25 UTC
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Or drastically drop their payouts not the point of killing them but to a more balanced level compared to other highsec activities.

Highsec Incursions payout WAY too much for the risk and time you take.

Many people run incursions to plex accounts log out for the month.

Theres little to no incentive to do anything else in the game once you start running incursions, you wont stop, and you will not do anything else other than your casual pvp on a random alt when the opportunity arises.

Incursions are a decease, they are killing/killed a major part of the game, took the need of doing and trying different things to make isks.

Hell theres not even a reason to leave highsec anymore, whats the incentive of null when you can make as much or even more in the safety of highsec?


Please put an end to incursions, its been far too long already, sanshas must go.




If you remove or curtail highsec incursions, how are all those nullseccers going to make money while their mains bubble camps the gates 23/7?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Solecist Project
#156 - 2015-04-27 17:26:48 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Never understood the QQ about PVE content rewards. If you think its fantastic, go do it. There is literally nothing stopping you from doing it. At all. Always amazes me that folks will whine about **** that others do when they can do it themselves. If Incursions were so awesomesauce than they would be the #1 source of ISK entering the game, but they aren't that crown goes to NS Ratting/Anoms.

You can make 800ish millions in three hours, reliably, in null?
In absolute safety with CONCORD protection?
Every day?

Yeah, right.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#157 - 2015-04-27 17:36:19 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Mario Putzo wrote:
Never understood the QQ about PVE content rewards. If you think its fantastic, go do it. There is literally nothing stopping you from doing it. At all. Always amazes me that folks will whine about **** that others do when they can do it themselves. If Incursions were so awesomesauce than they would be the #1 source of ISK entering the game, but they aren't that crown goes to NS Ratting/Anoms.


Why leave highsec for more risky space if you are earning the same or more in highsec?

As for that "#1 source of isk" tidbit you are quoting it wrong. While null activities inject the most isk income levels for ratting is far below that of incursions. An incursion pilot will earn upwards of twice as much as your average anom ratter in null.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#158 - 2015-04-27 17:44:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Never understood the QQ about PVE content rewards. If you think its fantastic, go do it. There is literally nothing stopping you from doing it. At all. Always amazes me that folks will whine about **** that others do when they can do it themselves. If Incursions were so awesomesauce than they would be the #1 source of ISK entering the game, but they aren't that crown goes to NS Ratting/Anoms.


Why leave highsec for more risky space if you are earning the same or more in highsec?


Somehow you also have to lose that mad isk no? Not that it's a balancing factor for the current income but what do people do with all those ISK beside buy another incursion boat after they managed to lose one? After the 800 ish mill for their PLEX and a let's say 400 mill as "insurance policy" in case they lose a boat, what do people spend all that on?
Mario Putzo
#159 - 2015-04-27 17:56:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
baltec1 wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Never understood the QQ about PVE content rewards. If you think its fantastic, go do it. There is literally nothing stopping you from doing it. At all. Always amazes me that folks will whine about **** that others do when they can do it themselves. If Incursions were so awesomesauce than they would be the #1 source of ISK entering the game, but they aren't that crown goes to NS Ratting/Anoms.


Why leave highsec for more risky space if you are earning the same or more in highsec?

As for that "#1 source of isk" tidbit you are quoting it wrong. While null activities inject the most isk income levels for ratting is far below that of incursions. An incursion pilot will earn upwards of twice as much as your average anom ratter in null.


Make ISK in HS, go to LS/NS/WH to PVP. Not really a hard concept. There is nothing saying you have to live in space to use that space. vOv.


Also I am simply paraphrasing the numbers CCP showed at fanfest, where Nullsec Bounties represent the highest portion of ISK entering the game. Didn't say anything about individual incomes. So not sure what your point is in that regard. Incursions are pretty dank, but most of it is from LP, which isn't liquid ISK that ISK comes from other players who get it from sources like ratting, anoms and missions, with NS being the largest faucet by a sizable margin...fancy that.
Solecist Project
#160 - 2015-04-27 18:03:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Mario Putzo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Never understood the QQ about PVE content rewards. If you think its fantastic, go do it. There is literally nothing stopping you from doing it. At all. Always amazes me that folks will whine about **** that others do when they can do it themselves. If Incursions were so awesomesauce than they would be the #1 source of ISK entering the game, but they aren't that crown goes to NS Ratting/Anoms.


Why leave highsec for more risky space if you are earning the same or more in highsec?

As for that "#1 source of isk" tidbit you are quoting it wrong. While null activities inject the most isk income levels for ratting is far below that of incursions. An incursion pilot will earn upwards of twice as much as your average anom ratter in null.


Make ISK in HS, go to LS/NS/WH to PVP. Not really a hard concept. There is nothing saying you have to live in space to use that space. vOv.


Also I am simply paraphrasing the numbers CCP showed at fanfest, where Nullsec Bounties represent the highest portion of ISK entering the game. Didn't say anything about individual incomes. So not sure what your point is in that regard. Incursions are pretty dank, but most of it is from LP, which isn't liquid ISK that ISK comes from other players who get it from sources like ratting, anoms and missions...fancy that.

The game has no zones.
One can fight anywhere.
To say that people should leave highsec if they want combat is nonsense.

If CCP wanted that, they would have removed player aggression from highsec.
Which would be a rather daft thing to do.

So your "concept" pretty much is only imaginary.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia