EVE General Discussion

And you clearly think you're entitled to all the reward with your comparable risk, as it has been discussed to length that ratting in nullsec ain't all that scary.

Because you have the issue wrong. The issue is nullsec is lame. Removing a few things in high sec does not make null sec suddenly cool. It does not make people want to live in nullsec more. It just makes them change from one high sec activity to another. CCP has repeatedly refused to change nullsec for the better, so players have repeatedly chosen to avoid it. People are under this asinine assumption that if you just remove all the good activities in high sec, null sec will suddenly be a happening place. I'd wager many people would just quit then, as opposed to being forced into a region they don't wanna be in because no one is interested in fixing it. Right now, the only thing I enjoy about null is the fights, and even those can be really, really lame as everyone just blobs and drops capitals on you. I prefer living in low sec, where smaller fights are much more common, way more than I like living in null sec, where it's run at least 40 deep with 10 logi and links or bust.

My argument begins and ends with incursions breaking risk vs reward, and thereby income across the game. I'm merely saying that the claim that it should somehow be immune to risk vs reward merely because it's a group activity is entirely foolish, which it is.

Go bite someone else's ankle.

Yes, but why did they put a high profit gig like incursions under the protection of Concord? Wouldnt you think there is a purpose to that decision?

They've said as much in the past, there was none. People were intended to defeat the Sansha in order to get rid of the NPCs who might attack them, their being farmed is wholly unintentional.

They could probably start by just "fixing" this by making the incursion close after 2 hours of full blue bar. It still leaves time to form up the bigger fleet to complete it but no more 3 days of farming. From there, who knows exactly how it would change how they are run.

They could potentially spawn faster after a kill if CCP think they should always be available but at least a larger portion of the sites would be ran with some red bar which technically are at least a little bit harder... It also adds more time spent travelling to the equation.

If another one respawn? Sure. Just move to the next one.

It does serve as another source of null isk. That's the point it's so good we're doing them. And when we do, we freeze out others who might want to do them (because any FC is going to pick a null alts bling boat over some casual high sec dudes t2 maelstrom).

No one in high should ever be forced to go anywhere, but people who live in null should make their isk in null. Fixing incursions might hurt the fat cat farmers, sure, but they open things up for more people (and for my part, they free me from the chain that is high sec incursions that are too damn good to let go).

That's the wrong deal.



1.5% of players on any given day are not "high sec". And bringing incursions into line with the rest of EVE would actually be a buff to high sec, because mission runners would get more value from thier LP, (because they would be less CONCORD LP converted into multi-run BPCs from LP stors the mission runners had to actually grind standings for).

In the end it is for the devs to decide yes. It's our "job" as forum posters and players to get our opinions out there for CCP to see so they can make the most informed decision possible. We might not always agree with each other because eve is a very broad game with several player groups who are in competition with each other. However we should be mature enough to put aside our differences and have a proper discussion where we are all just players, and not just descend into "us" and "them" insult throwing and close-mindedness.

The argument put forward by many forum regulars is that incursion income is too damn high compared to other areas of space and something should be done. If you disagree with this statement then you should post the reasons why you disagree in the hope that CCP see sense in them.