EVE General Discussion

Like this.

History lesson. CCP changed their (then just recently added) upgrade system to change tsome things in null. Here were there goals:



Did any of that happen? NO. What did happen? longer high sec incursion wait lists, and eventually, lots of renting out systems. The combat pve imbalance (centered on high sec incursions but also high sec lvl 4 mission blitzing and faction warfare missions) alters outcomes in the game, and thwarts CCP's attempts at modifying the game for more positive (fun) results.

The rich 1.5% don't want to hear it. It's why every time from now on that I go to a CCp hosted event, i'm going to occupy the ears of the nearest DEV so that this imbalance is tackled lol.

Occupy Wall Street CCP Dev?

My point was if you double the number of people running incursion, would you still get the same isk/h? Would you double the size of the isk faucet?

No. But again that's not the eve we're playing now. Incursions are sound but designed for a bigger pop.

Maybe they should just limit incusions to one in HS at any one time? what do you think of that suggestion?

Envy has nothing to do with anything (though I know Baltec can speak for himself).

Nothing stops us from doing high sec incursions, and many of us (who 'live' in null) have high sec incursion alts. What, do you think we 'envy" our own wallets.? Because that's where a big chunk of that 8 trillion isk per month goes, right to null.

Go to ANY high sec incursion community like TVP and ask how many play in null. You will get a LOT of proof.

Demonstrating something is broken (so broken it entices us to take part in it, because why not, isk is isk) even though we benefit from it is not envy, it's honesty. High sec people and especially high sec incursion abusers tend to not have honesty in large supply.

Removing content is not something I like to see happen. Toning down the isk you can earn from them is a better option in my book.

The idea that competition will fix an imbalance liek this doesn't work. Incursions in high sec aren't broken because there is not enough contesting going on, they are broken because they are in high sec and the automated CONCORD response offers value in ways that other forms of top tier isk making don't get.

In other words, Incursions replicated the issue that made the High Sec lvl 5 bug so awfully unbalanced. lvl 5s are fine spewing out mountains of wealth in low sec, but when you can do it in high sec (like I did, with dual rattlesnakes), it's screws up everything. in high sec lvl 5s case, it was the navy corp LP store values (like what FW missions have done more recently) that took a hit.

The same results occurred, lots of people who lived in null have "high sec lvl 5 alts" with high standings that could decline the requite number of missions to get the ones that popped in those 0.5 systems. High sec lvl 5s devalued non-high sec space less than incursion though, because high sec lvl 5s at least had that standings requirement. Incursions require nothing but you having a ship and getting into a fleet. This is bad because you shold have to experience risk to make the kind of isk we are talking about.


There is no way to balance high sec incursions without either taking away rewards OR leaving the rewards and adding risk (ie shutting off CONCORD response in active incursion systems. Competition just means the isk goes into a different wallet,meaning someone would just revive ISN (the old super blinged incursion group that loved to contest everyone) and make the problem worse, not better.

I know I can't lol. I still have a FW alt, and incursion alt and if I could still do high sec lvl 5s I'd have one for that too

The players can't really be blamed for running incursions, they get mad isk for no risk, who would't want that? CCP themselves will have to tone down the payouts to lower the incentive. No CONCORD in incursion systems would be another option but I feel that would annoy more people than a simple isk nerf.

basically people in highsec need to start losing ships because goons are killing the price of bpc's

So what? I can make more ISK carrier ratting than I do running Incursions easily, but it's boring as all hell. I can actually talk to people and interact with them if I run incursions. Carrier ratting only pays well when done solo. Same for virtually every type of ratting that takes place in the game. That's why incursions are not only good, but necessary. It's the only form of group PvE there is, and the only reason it works is because it's worth your time. Level 4 mission runners make just as much ISK, but again, you're playing the game by yourself.

And lol "camping null sec ratting systems should be cause for WAR". No, because you can camp in a cloaked ship that no one has a chance of scanning down. Null sec camping isn't a cause for war because null sec is still broken. People avoid it for a reason. You're trying to force people to rat in null sec because you want more easy kills, when there are still plenty of fights in null sec because people have enough ISK to buy toys to fight in. That's a good thing. And even in spite of all that, there are still at least 20 people ratting in the designated systems my alliance uses at any given time. I just choose not to because again, boring. You're just inflating problems that are harmless because you want null sec to be what you want it to be, when in reality even if they did affect your changes, nothing would change at all, except there'd be one less enjoyable activity to do in game.