EVE General Discussion

They are not just bumping" nerf threads" wanting to reduce PvE income like this one:
- they are also bumping the "PLEX prices are to high" threads
- they are planting multiple conspiracy rumours all over the place trying to get people to believe that EVE is going free to play very soon and PLEX will be worthless

Sounds to me someone cannot afford PLEX and is trying to artificially deflate the prices. It is a pleasant change from the obvious attempts to manipulate prices up (the most successful lately was the "Geckos are too expensive" thread which tripled Gecko prices for a short time before they settled down again) .

So please prove what numbers actually generate most of that NPC bounty faucet.
The last economic blog figures included a miner who killed a single 1.0 belt rat as 'someone who did PvE' with equal weight to the Null sec 23/7 Anom Bot. (Not saying lots of Null people bot or anything, just a weighting comparison).

We have no idea how many play time hours went into that isk generation, nor do we have any idea what portion of people are generating the WH Commodities faucet, and how many hours they are putting into it. Especially what portion & how many hours are coming from the C6 escalation crowd.

Edit: Also low & Null incursions already pay out over 200% a highsec incursion per site. And this is why there has been someone dedicatedly running low sec incursions for the last few months ever since the fleet size for low & null sec incursions got buffed.

So, tldr version, learn real statistics and learn why your 'proof' shows nothing.

uh, end nullsec incursions too please?. nullsec people dont want that junk. it just gets in the way and nobody likes them.

1. It doesn't.
2. It's not.

So buff other forms of income then. I don't have an issue with nulsec paying more than it does. I welcome any change that reduces the amount of multi-boxing and multiple account running that happens in this game. There's no reason I should have to own and run 3 accounts just because I live in nulsec. Incursion running let's me cut down on how many accounts I use because I have the ISK to fund all my funsies all from one source. What's so wrong with that? Nulsec has a hard time doing the same because nulsec is poorly designed. Even if I had to grind level 4s to make ISK, I'd still take that over nulsec because I don't find the reward to be worth all the stress I have to go through just to run a few havens, let alone 10/10 DED sites. Nulsec doesn't pay enough to get me out of high sec when it comes to ISK generation. That means nulsec needs a buff, not incursions need to be completely removed.

1. Excluding wormholes (which IMO are rightly placed with their risk and reward) yes incursions are the highest paid pve activity in eve. They should have their payouts lowered to say 60m/hr in highsec (numbers pulled from you-know-where) or buff everything else; I know which one I would go for if I had to implement one option.

2. It is. As I said in my last post efficiency is a factor; you would imagine the ranking goes like this, null incursions pay most, lowsec second, and highsec last. However because of the risk involved in HS combined with the efficiency that makes possible, the situation is actually the opposite with highsec incursions paying best.


Edit: whatever final number is chosen it needs to be such that being out in dangerous space is more worthwhile than farming in highsec.

IDK I did the PFR thing farming in my machariel all day. I just used local intels, teamspeak and jump bridges to move around. I fit a cloak, MJD, and MWD. Got caught once but MJD > tackle.

Only lost a rattlesnake to some escalation that had too much DPS... Mostly I just PVP'd which for PFR meant ship spinning :(

Actually yes - they should pay more than other forms of PVE. There isn't a single site that can be solo-ed. Unlike most of null sec and missions hell even most lvl 5's can be completed solo.

You can play the game in null, thats your choice, it's ridiculous , "you can't play in null sec without several accounts" yes you can but if you do that's your choice.

If anything I'd like to see more content like incursions with similar payout, also in high sec.

And huh? How do you not need 3 accounts? You need your own scout if you want to move anything valuable. Jump the wrong gate and boom, you never had a chance. You need cyno alts if you own capital ships. People aren't always going to be able to cyno you. It's either sit at home or do it yourself. Jump aids is a thing now, so unless you want to be stuck at home while everyone else has fun, you need an alt to make isk if you have to use jump bridges to get to the ratting systems. That way you're aids free when it comes time to PvP, especially if said PvP is black ops, titan bridge, jump bridge, or capital related. Then there's the shopping problem. You can't very well shop in Jita if you're in nul, jump clone timers are 24 hours, jump aids restricts your movement, so if you're going to get anything out of high sec it's going to be another character to do it, even if it's just purchasing items for an alliance or corp mate to JF it out later.

All this bickering over incursions is embarrassing.

1. No they aren't taking content away from null sec - if anything they are indirectly adding content because people can actually afford to do things in null sec.

2. Not everyone can devote hours upon hours of playing the game hence why they play in HS and why HS incursions tend to be run by quite a regular bunch of people. Now because not everyone CAN run them due to the restriction imposed by the mechanics of he things it means, again, the influence of incursions on null sec stagnation is not related to HS. Null created it's own stagnation by blueing up everyones man and dog in the search for "safe space". You see, much of null sec is dead and the chance of someone randomly turning up and screwing up your game time far less than someone running around in HS.

3. Eve is a playing field, it's up to you how you make the playing field fun but to pigeon hole incursions as some sort of devil that is killing the game is stupid. The game is killing itself forcing people to invest time they don't have, from the Jump fatigue introduction, the multi-box mess that is as clear as mud, and the constant dull and predictable game play. Incursions are the only thing in the game that is providing something remotely interesting and even then you are still forced to invest a lot of time in the game before you feel the fruits. Not to mention is is the only thing in Eve where, yes you make isk, but at the same time it has the biggest isk sink.

4. Strange isn't it, the part of the game that requires the most amount of co-ordination of the fleet members is under the microscope for delivering exactly what an Eve player wants.