EVE General Discussion

These changes will be great. That way I can forget about incursions for good.

Current Incursion meta is easy mode. Needs to be shaken up. Besides, Drifter incursion would require a mandatory looter for the Drifter loot.

Or CCP could just make it so Incursions are only lowsec and nullsec.

Wait, since when is all T2 fit AFs and HACs 'blinged'

Don't use a boosting alt myself anymore either.

Ah, so CCP is always right. Got it.

Are you not paying attention, CCP is made up of humans (that can make mistakes) It would be nice if more people would be willing to tell them the truth.

Why never in highsec?

They weren't easy isk for us at the start. But damn, it was fun pve at the time. That is why it is in highsec. Initially were damned fun! Us good fleets made of the main forces from the live events incursions, well we could just beat mission running on isk on a good day. Technically they still aren't easy... except for the on rails mechanics. Hook up the meta fleet train to iskville. Toot Toot!

Except you are also wrong because it generate nearly 0 ISK int he game just like mining and many other profession. The ISK to LP ratio paid is the right one to not generate it unless people completely forgo using their LP so it INDEED does not generate ISK in a big way compared to any form of bounty payout.

You are intelligent enough to know wealth generation in LP/items is not an ISK faucet.

The wealth generation rate might be high but as the guy you quoted said, it barely generate any ISK unless that player forgo his LP which would drasticly reduce his real wealth generation way below the ever mentioned possible 200+ mill/hours.

What's hilarious to me is that people actually think incursions runners are consistently hitting +200m an hour.

TVP did once for one hour and they haven't shut up about it since. They did it through a combination of bling, contests and a very lucky TCRC spawn streak. Meaning other people were suffering a massive loss in isk per hour to make that possible.

TVP's coyote fleet which is one of a couple fleets that can consistently do +120m an hour doesn't even run that often due to lack of people to pull from.

The vast majority of incursion runners are only making about the same per hour as what I make running level 4 security missions (90-110m).

Quite a few public fleets make less isk per hour than what you can make blitzing 3s (80m an hour). Don't believe me? Go run with some random groups and take records of time invested and isk made. The VG groups in general seem to have performance issues these days. Join "Incursion Public" for links to public incursion groups.

As it stands right now it's incredibly easy to find empty assault systems. Vanguards systems are almost as desolate these days.

I have no proof but it looks like incursion running numbers outside of HQs took a nasty hit post jan 1st.

Disregarding the famous isk/hr claim myths, I do believe you.

And despite my having been vociferously against HS Incursions (primarily due to its farm nature) when I read this I was struck by somethung I hadnt considered before.

That if HS Incursion income was nerfed, then it leads to invalidating it as a HS activity, as compared to other far less involved and integrally solo activitivies.

So yes, it would require a commensurate HS l3 and l4 profit nerf too.

Im ok with that.

Therafter there is only HS combat sig drop rates and HSstation trading taxes to deal with.
Works for me.

HS is too profitable, considering its low player intervention risk.

The irony and complication here, is that HS residents dont NEED these profits to sustain their safe activities.
This also applies even moreso to residents of other sectors who exploit HS exactly for that reason (whom are a particular cancer), whereas they can and should be making more at home there, or then satisfy with HS (hopefully soon) lower profits, at lower risk.

See what I mean?

Nerfing HS profits doesnt really nerf HS players all that much, it instead nerfs the real cancer, which are NS players still operating in HS rather than in their domestic region. The less of them there are in HS, the marginally higher even nerfed HS profit and opportunity rates will improve for HS specific players. HS players will manage, as life is cheap and safe there. Just gotta play a little more to PLEX, or maybe train a little less accounts. If you want more profits, as the universal rule SHOULD and as always has stated, move out of HS. Instead currently we have non-HS players STILL farming HS in security, despite their other commitments elsewhere.

Whats the "funny" part, exactly?

I dont get what you mean.

Is this the famous self-ironic sarcsasm Ive been hearing about?

Your earnings in NS while afk sound fine to me.
Your WH friends speculative secondhand reports of income sound fine to me too, considering the circumstances youve explained.

Whats funny here?

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