EVE General Discussion

I've run Incursions. They're dreadfully boring, even compared to ratting in null. Some might liek that kind of thing though. Blitzing so far is the only thing that's been on par(as in not boring) with what I used to do for isk; mix of full clear missioning with marauder and exploration. Makes a bit more, more reliably though but it's hard to keep it up for longer than 3h or so. Best for me with regards to engagement and income was C5 wormholes before Hyperion. There's an upper limit on the amount of isk you can pull from those though and has way more isk at risk even when not running sites, unlike everywhere else ever. Good thing they nerfed the **** out of that amirite.

It's only a grind festival if you don't know how to play. Hell, the game olets you play it for free if you can earn 33 million isk per day, and you can do that in like 4 to 15 minutes, less if you know what you are doing. It's really no one's fault but the 'grinder' that they don't discover how to do things better.

I suggest spending more time learning about things before posting and you'll understand.

This comment tells us you have never lived in null.

So quit grinding for PLEX. It's pretty simple. It's only you making it a "grinder".

End these threads

Thread was a good read.

Most of you seem obsessed with isk per hour, I'm happy making some isk, I've never even bothered to measure how much I get per hour. lol

I did try incursions once and remembered being bored after just 1 incursion site, I sold my shiny ship and headed back to Stain.

From a role-play point of view id say incursions are ok if that's your thing. Sansha forces have found a way to attack hi-sec and Concord are paying high rewards for brave pilots to defend it. I'm aware that incursions pay lots of isk and I think they need a revamp rather than a nerf.

So I have a few suggestions to revamp incursions;

- Sansha invades a system like Jita and shuts down stargates and bubbles the station forcing incursion runners to make fleets and defend, this might justify the large isk payments if there is a real chance of losing a shiny ship if a mistake is made. Maybe we could see stations destroyed and rebuilt, cool stuff like that.

- Give Sansha the power to disrupt sovereignty of hi sec systems with well organised NPC PVP fleets which incursion runners will have to face if they want the large isk payment.

- Generally design the Sansha incursions so that they have real consequences on high sec dwellers, so lets say the Eve community did nothing while Sansha attacked The Forge region and took over Jita M4 CNAP perhaps we could see things like increased sell/buy order taxes and sansha doing gate camps.

Eve is a dark and brutal game and I think these general suggestions will help to make it more real, why should NPC's not suffer in this harsh reality?

YES YESSSSS, Eliminate Hi-Sec incursions and move them ALL to low-sec and give incursion rats 2x damage & hitpoints with neuts that can hit out to 100km, LOL.

At 33mill isk a day as you say how many t2 can you afford to fit and lose in pvp? Or pirate ships? Or even t2 fit t1 cruisers. How does that help removing risk aversion everybody istalking about? You lose a ship you have to grind weeks to replace it.

Most of the "nurf it" crowd has played for years and hoarded billions if not trillions of isk, trained dozens of characters and now they're bored oh farming pve sites with their herd of alts. "It's too easy, got no risk element!" Of course it's easy when you multibox a site or mission with 3 or more dead space blinged domies or (insert whatever pirate bs pinata you want here).

What the Hek should a new player do to fit in your nostalgic "I miss the times when drake was op so I'm starting a new char and troll the forums with it" canned soup of bitter memories community, when it has to wait months for skills that allow him to fly a ship he finally can't afford to lose?

"Oh Eve is dyin', I haz a sadness... can I haz a shovel to bury it plz?"

arent they called capital escalations?

I am a prime example of not grinding for plex, or grind play at all.

I am a veteran players and don't have tens of billions of isk with officer fit mauraders in every region.

Why? Cause I like to have fun and like to do other things. I cannot afford a plex a month because I log on to... play a game? Some days I don't make any isk cause I am flying about trying exploration sites, talking to people or even helping newbs. Not much isk in flying an oracle fit to be flashy over combat effective for the sole purpose of helping newbs with the epic arc.

But I enjoy it. I post in these threads simply because there are so many more parts of eve that can be more interactive and enjoyable. At this time they are solely used for farming however. It bothers me personally because the potential for it to add to the eve experience and increase player retention and goal is being lost. Result of more farms is just that the barriers of entries into many things are higher.

I did a big writeup in that other thread, link here.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5983157#post5983157