EVE General Discussion

There aren't ways to stop it. Sure you can spend a few billion trying to gank them at a huge loss but why would people waste their time to do that? Unlike Freighters these ships travel in gangs with large tanks, logi support, often boosters and can open fire right back at you. Ganking doesn't work on actual fleets. Ganking is done for profit, something the people of highsec cant seem to grasp. Killing the mom early was done for a while but ended because again, where is the gain for the people ending it early? Its not fun and it doesn't get you anything worth more than keeping it alive. You cant wardec these people as they are protected by NPC corps and you cant attck them in any normal way due to concord protection.

No, when something is out of whack in terms of reward the only viable way to deal with it is to close the abuse, something CCP has been forced to do many times in the past.

Since you are not willing to beat them (incursion runners) at their own game (getting their sites so the income goes to you instead of them), then I guess you will have to wait for CCP to deem it important enough to change something about it. Which can be anywhere between the june release and the end of time.

Why are you still posting here instead of beating the war drums to motivate people to run them to the very limit to force CCP to do something about something oh so broken? Every 15 minutes wasted here is at least 1 site not getting run.

Because it's not that important. I've done my 'virtual civic duty' in pointing out the gross imbalance (that i'm benefitting from). A gross imbalance that helped thwart CCPs plans during this change(because rather than 'fight for better space', people just left for greener, more high-secy pastures), and will do so again when Fozziesov comes. CCP is literally wasting development time implementing a new Sov system that relies on PVE for defensive bonuses when it's stupid to do pve in null unless you're a renter or some kind of scrub.

CCP changes it, the game gets better. CCP doesn't change it, all good as far as I'm concerned, I adapted to the imbalances in 2011 after the event I just linked. But it is crappy suboptimal game design no matter how much you try to deny it.

Sorry if you can't understand this, but that a 'you' issue, not a 'me' issue.

If you do nothing about it except keep running them without any change, why do you expect CCP to not just let you run them without any change?

Level 4s should've been moved to Lowsec... back in 2009! I used to make dank ISK back in 2008, and returnded to EvE recently and it is still (presumably / a lot has changed with respect to LP store wares) the same dank ISK that is available through missioning. Myself, liking to have a lotta FUN, I lived for a few months in Lowsec, doing Combat exploration in a Tengu - The income is closer to 15 mil per hour, than anything you read about the subject, for you could go for weeks on end without a decent Deadspace/BPC drop.

Train went choo-choo, and instead they've added more ISK faucets to Highsec, albeit a very interesting one at first.

At least the ISBotter problem is being partially handled in this regard, because otherwise it would've been the end of EvE further down the line.

/bitter

And yet, people are willing to "play" hours in TiDi for this "crap" space.

I'm not even gonna try to make it out to be better than high-sec but it sure has enough value for people to endure this in the name of a space flag...

I still don't see how the reward is out of whack. It took a few months for people to become proficient at incursions, and even then, that's not the majority of runners. I'm sure there are plenty of people who aren't pushing 200 mil a hour because it takes a team of people who actually know what they're doing to even get that accomplished on an individual level. If anything, it's spot on. Incentive enough to make loners group up, but not enough to get everyone on board. After all, someone else earlier said that like a crushingly small percentage of players are actually benefiting from it to its maximum. Nerfing something because a small percentage of players somehow managed to succeed in unforeseen circumstances is rude and selfish. Because while they will be hurt by the nerf, people who weren't running them at the same efficiency, for whatever reasons, will be hurt more and there are a lot more people that operate at non-optimal efficiency than there are. I know I can make a lot more isk/hr out in null or wh space, but I only ever go out to these places for visits. Never to stay. Because at the end of the day, I actually gain less because of people who are bloodthirsty. I don't come on the forums whining to CCP that they should make null safer. I just learn to either deal with it or live with it. Because at the end of the day, it's not a big deal.

I feel like incursions aren't a big deal. There is risk, the problem is people know how to get around it now. In the beginning people were dying left and right, but that's going to be the nature of PvE. Never mind the fact that entry to 200 million isk/hr is protected by a barrier that requires some experience playing the game, isk, and skill points. For people to profit from incursions the way an elite group can requires an investment in those three things. More importantly, it requires a competent fleet. Just because the game is easy for some doesn't mean it is for the majority. Balance should be made around the majority and not as a personal attack to a successful minority. This is why I stated that this entire topic stinks with an agenda.

It really isn't that big of a deal and you admitted there are ways to disrupt it. It's just not worth the effort. So, in turn, you go to CCP. A lot of things CCP has changed in the past was arguably wrong because the changes were at the request of people arguing over what is and isn't broken. There definitely have been changes that were needed, but there have also been a lot due to knee jerk reactions based on forum complaints. You should know what I mean.

Don't make the game less enjoyable for others because you don't like it man. And for what it's worth, I don't run incursions but I do read up on them. Not the same thing obviously, but if there was a true imbalance, I would have felt it by now surely. Things are more affordable than ever now and the only thing that matters in its inflation is plex. Because that's something a minority can influence through obscene income that can affect other people, but the markets have already stabilized. At the end of the day, there are only so many uses for them and only so many ships an individual will purchase. After their wants have been fulfilled, their influence on the markets drops significantly. But that's assuming incursions are 'obscene' in the first place. I think they're spot on. You guys out in null could have cease-fires where you get together and do incursions, but don't because of reasons. Regardless of whatever those reasons may be, that doesn't give you the right to complain about people who do it in High-sec to counter the risk that's only there because of other capsuleers.

Yet, at the same time, there are plenty of people who part-take in risk-less predatory actions and receive great bounties for it. And one or two kills can yield more isk than any individual incursion runner will earn in a week. But here we are, talking about how a group of competent pilots had to make a large initial investment and cooperate together to turn incursions into something profitable.

Yes, there is value in gaining space to rent to others while you go about the real business elsewhere lol. People fighting in tidi aren't doing so for isk, they are doing so because they are playing a video game and taking space from others is fun.

You can rationalize all you want, but you're smarter than this Frosty.

I don't expect anyone to do anything. I'm pointing out a game altering imbalance (one anyone could see for themselves if they took the time to). I'm good either way , but as a video game player I could still wish for better game design. And fixes (not necessarily nerfs or buffs) would make lots of things work better.

What distresses me is seeing something in game/on forums that happens all the time in real life; people are so short sighted that 'not so great' things persist (then later on they have the nerve to complain about things that they were too short sighted to fix in the past lol).