EVE General Discussion

You know that's a typo lol.


Why? Common sense.

If you have two alternatives, one harder and less lucrative, and the other easier and more lucrative, it kind of make syou stupid to pick the 1st one (unless you are in to that kind of whips and leather like BS).

This is a game, a game shouldn't punish you for doing interesting things (like trying to make game-money in space where people are trying to kill you, like an Indiana jones movie) while rewarding you for playing it safe.

I agree and believe the first option B should be applied to all facets that deal with enemy npcs. If the Serpentis invade jita for a day, players with high standings with Serpentis shouldn't be targeted by them and should be able to assist them. Makes sense from a balance point of view and a lore point of view. After all, people who tend to have high pirate standings have low empire standings thus limiting them from a large portion of the game, temporarily. If concord doesn't shoot the invading npcs, they shouldn't shoot players who have high standings with said faction during the event to encourage pvp. My two cents.

I would also like to add that I would avoid said regions until the incursions died or were completed. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. Would definitely make things interesting though. Not just from a pvp point of view, but from a market point of view.

Of course it does not make sense if you are talking about regrouping, I was talking about the stage before that when the CFC goes out to destabilise their target before the hammer drops, this is the interdiction of the ISK generation of their target. if you get off of your grand soap box and think about the ramifications of this in what is going to happen, people will be spreading out into null from hisec and in small groups that initially test the waters and will be able to develop from that. To close them down will take just one cloaky based on the current mechanics, but of course we will not use the system to make ISK at least for the medium term until things start t sort out, all our ISK will come from level 4's, the hisec markets and incursions.

So waffling on about the retreat to NPC null and such is irrelevant because the systems we will try for are next to hisec and if it gets rolled over just come back when they head off to roll over someone else, rinse and repeat you got it. If enough people do this then it will start to open up the game.

There is nothing wrong with hisec income, it allows people to break into 0.0, and that is why certain people want it nerfed, not because of risk or reward, it is a strategic necessity so they can keep their control on the majority of null and that they can easily tie them down by cutting of the income with single cloaky camper.

There are a lot of people in smaller corps and alliances that are now starting to make their preparations to take a system or two, how to stop them, get rid of the two income sources that cannot be as easily interdicted without real effort. like they can shut down a null sec system. In truth only a tickover amount can be made because most of the people will be defending their system but it enables you to resist and gather resources if you are good at it and in Eve wearing down the enemy is how you win.

This is not about risk / reward, its about strategic control of income, but the thing is that only a limited number of people can run Incursions, the main income is level 4's and that is what is always getting attacked by these people and they never stop going on and on about it, downplaying how much null sec anoms can be run for and quoting figures from blitzing to max effort on level 4's. It gets so wearing and its as tedious as hell.

i think this is just a great idea in general

Okay, first and foremost, if you cannot deal with one cloaky camper, you may want to reconsider life in null. That is a renter mentality, not a real null enthusiasts one. That it does not force a decision tree is symptomatic - why would I risk my ship here and earn less than I could without risking my ship in HiSec? It becomes a real decision if you could get less income with more security, and more income with less security - hey look, a game where decisions matter. A real null enthusiast will have the tools to either ignore or bait out the camper. I can say from personal experience, cloaky campers are not really a problem if you have a good defence fleet - they will victimize the weakest, not the capable.

Inhabiting null should be more profitable than hi from day one, and only grow with time spent inhabiting and developing it. This is why Fozziesov needs to have some sort of line member income buff - as long as pilots don't have a personal reason to be there beyond just preventing roaming gangs from entosing their structures, no one will want to live there. Why have a duty to protect and guard things when those things in turn do nothing for you beyond what you could have gotten for free in HiSec?

HiSec as a staging point for null should seem patently absurd. It sort of is. Its no more absurd than the present state of planting a flag, then sending alts back to hisec, but absurd nonetheless. Low or NPC null make far more natural places to build up in.

You seem to think people want HiSec Income nerfed (which is in turn, a buff to nullsec income) to keep the little man down. I don't. I honestly think few people do. What people want is Null to be worth something, both so it rewards those who dare, and there's something to keep the content boiling, rather than the present state of most of null being objectively worth less than the average HiSec System.

Fighting WN as part of GSF.

See, when you lie about things like this it will come back to bite you in arse. I was part of these events and what you are spouting is nothing but rubbish. The vast bulk of the 20,000 supers out there were not built using tech money. We didn't even have enough dreads to form a full fleet back then.

So apparently, a few hundred people in highsec can make a full third as much as the entire rest of the game combined...

But some people think that's just fine.

Which given the fact that most null space currently abandoned isn't going to happen.

I'm sorry, but with space in nullsec being abandoned ...

... does that mean I can just go there and plant my [things] and ... then what?

If it was real life where the money was being generated between people, yea, it would be unfair, but this is a video game where money is literally printed out of thin air via PVE. Other means of acquiring money are secondary to this one true fact. The real world is far more complicated than this and people that DO accumulate a stupid amount of wealth never really contribute it back into the economy, unless you count investments in stock, cds, etc. But at the end of the day, that helps a small percentage of people and not the grand majority.

Even worse, some of them just let it sit.

That's why it's not such a big deal if some individuals in a video game can make so much isk, at least for me. After a certain point it truly becomes worthless on an individual level.