EVE General Discussion

Which is irrelevant, the issues with Supers/Titans is CCP attempted and failed, at balancing through cost. They were severely short sighted in the fact they did not for see groups of people making Coalitions to massively ramp up production of and protection of these Iwin button ships. What ruined NS was Coalitions....something that was arguably inevitable because Dominion Sov pretty much demanded you have as many bodies available for defensive operations as possible.

How Supers were funded is literally at the bottom of the ladder in terms of the issues NS faced. They system was ultimately designed in such a way that it was inevitable to have 2 huge power blocs casting a death stare at each other. The same outcome would have occurred even if Supers and Titans didn't even exist in the game at all.

That being said, the new system will ultimately approach the same outcome, because well, its human nature. CCP just needs to be more diligent in recognizing the signs that a mechanic is approaching the end of its useful life cycle.

Thread is about HISEC incursions.

Please stop trolling/derailing or I'll be forced to report you.

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Most of our corps caps were bought after tech was nerfed and by the pilots not by the corp. My own 7 bil dread and 2.3 bil megathron were entirely funded from highsec level 4 missions. No bat cap was funded via tech money, that is not what it was used for.

There is no derailing here. Highsec incursions have an impact outside of highsec.

And I knew you would say something like that, the imbalance created such an advantage in terms of cash reserves that it created the capital assets that you have now by its affect, you sure don't have much of a strategic overview of such matters do you baltec1, you talk like a grunt.

Incursion runners did of course fund major purchases with these funds, that is for certain, especially with ISboxer, but it pales into insignificance compared to the imbalance that has really screwed up the game.

Danalee even the pet ISD would not see that as out of context, but be a child if you must...

Back when we had the tech monopoly we did not have the largest super fleet. So, how exactly did the tech monopoly fund their even bigger super fleet?

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It's not just Tech, it's never just "one thing" in a complex system.

A big part of the problem was that CCP (a company that has never been good at delivering PVE content) decided to add more pve content (along with new space) starting around 2008. They piled this new content (wormholes and incursions) on top of an already not working system (lvl 4 missions, which were the 1st version of the incursion mess in that they are usually only done in high sec despite the fact that they exist in low and npc null) and repeated the mistake.

Before this and even with the lvl 5 bug, things made more sense. Getting ejected from null sec in those days HURT because the best pve content in the game was there by far, lvl 4s were slow is in the days before things like Marauders. After the incusion of the post 2008 pve content, being ejected from null has a moderate affect on top level alliance people (loss of moon good and super caps being aborted), but doesn't cause a single ripple for grunts because you can just go do incursions or wormhole stuff or now faction warfare (FW wasn't crazy unbalanced in the beginning PVE wise).


This is BAD, because it reduces the bottom up reason to fight for space. It results in more renting (which stabilizes a place that should be UNstable), which in turn results in a more constant flow of 'rare' null sec goods that ends up fubaring the null market (freaking Pith X XLSBs are like 70 mil now), which in turn fubar's the HIGH SEC LP markets (other than cpu , why buy a Caldari navy XLSB when a Pith X is cheaper?). screwing over mission runners whose LP is devalued. Everything is connected.

The round about result is everyone suffers even if some people aren't smart enough to know they are suffering because "they personally make enough isk for plex". CCP should have taken more time post 2008 to think about how new pve content would affect things, because the structural problems with the game could have been foreseen and prevented.

Then go do incursions, in HS there is literally nothing stopping you. Its a choice you are free to make, there is no mechanic preventing you from joining in, other than the limited number of pilots incursion groups use. Also last I checked CONCORD won't engage Sanshas, so if you start to go sideways on your run, you have 0 protection.

I mean less than 1% of the player base is capable of milking these things at any one time. WOE IS US THE IMBALANCE GUYS THE IMBALANCE, if anything they should be opened up to even more people not just an average of 23.3 pilots per site.

Whine more son.

We dont want the best option to be in highsec for income, we want to have a reason to be out in null.

Exactly, and people who want to be in null actually being in null provides content for others while stimulating different markets across new eden in a way that isk gathering in the safety of high sec can't. Ratting ship blow up way more than incursion boats, making economic activities for loads of people creating more need for people to pve outside of high sec which creates even more market opportunities and so forth.

It's similar to the Ishtar imbalance. The Ishtar imbalance doesn't just make for stale game play in null and low sec. It creates ripples across the game. It benefits Ishtar makers and drone makers, it screws everyone else because it means there is less need for other ships and weapons to be built or acquired.

Incursions as they are benefit a few (the few hundred incursion runners, many of whom are null alts who should be risking ships to make their isk), but screw over the rest of the game. The "high sec partisans" should be the most incensed, because incursions allow NULL GROUPS a way to make isk in near total, close to uninterruptible safety.

Isk that gets funneled to groups like CODE because Catalysts aren't free