Jita Park Speakers Corner

.....in before thread gets locked for cultural insensitivity!!

So, did you look at this thread, since you seem to still be convinced that the CSM is only about nullsec?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=22653&find=unread

Too late? TOO LATE?! It's been there for nearly two months!

A: Yes, force people to click randomly or to tell us "I DON'T CARE STOP ASKING ME QUESTIONS I NEED MY EVE FIX" so they can get in the game. Still a great idea.
B: I think we've been doing this for quite some time now.
C: Yes. Noble goal, the problem is, as has been stated multiple times before, that CCP did such a suck-ass job with its nullsec revamp during Dominion that it isn't even keeping the status quo hisec is, it got radically worse. For one, look at how many left nullsec due to the anom nerf, to start playing incursions instead. Face it, CCP is right now in triage mode, and CCP has to fix what it has basically ****** in the face over the last 2 years of inattentiveness, and it has to begin where the main problems are. This is currently nullsec, not the NEX store or incarna, even though I see good things ahead if they develop incarna properly. I wouldn't want a pilot to fluff my pillow when the engines are on fire, I'd want him to prioritize what's really important first, and only fluff my pillow or ask me if I want a soda once he's either got the engines restarted, or the plane on the ground.

PS: you keep saying you only have 1-2 hours a day. This does not exclude you from doing lots of things for nullsec, lowsec or other hisec corps. You can easily purchase, build and setup courier contracts to let others, who might not be restricted to 1-2 hours a day and actually likes doing logistics, to haul the goods to whereever the corp might be. You can then sell them on the market. Or you can be a mining foreman in an industry corp, saying "I need this much minerals of these types, make it so", and letting others do the actual job.

And for god's sake, next time a CSM member asks for feedback on hisec issues, use the opportunity to throw ideas at him. Don't come here 2 months later and say "well I didn't see it, did I?" and demand that people start voting in "hisec representatives" through forcing them to vote, or changing the voting mechanics, or whatever else it is some of the current anti-CSM rabble has come up with. There's been tons of good ideas in the Vile Rat thread, and Malcanis has had a thread with tons of good ideas which CCP (and I'd assume Vile Rat has read and taken that into account as well) would do well to look at and take ideas from.

The lack of preparation on their part, does not constitute an emergency on my part.

Well thank you, I'm glad we can at least see eye to eye on a few points. I do agree with you, the CSM absolutely needs greater diversity than it currently has, and I'm optimistic that many like yourself will indeed vote for a grassroots candidate that you trust can be a voice for everyone in the game, not just a special interest. Voter turnout should be at its highest ever, so if there was ever a chance to put a non-nullsec pilot into the Council, this next election will be it.

The main point that I was trying to get across is simply that it sounds like you came in, had a few bad experiences, than decided that everyone in the game was out to ruin your fun. You said yourself that the missioning in EvE gets boring after a while, and this is precisely why some players like to blow up younger players in high sec space. I know that may sound funny, but its true. By teaching you that danger is everywhere, attacks are often meant to encourage you to reach out and explore ALL of the content in the game, not just the 10% of repetitive tasks that exist in high sec.

The reason EvE Uni is wardecced all the time is to teach younger players!! You could never learn PvP or PvE self-defense unless you spend some time at war early in your pilot career. Wardeccing EvE Uni means lots of fun practice for players on both sides of the war and an opportunity to learn from experienced players.

Once you get past this learning phase though, whole worlds of new game play become available. There are COSMOS missions, and epic pirate story arcs, and sleeper sites in wormholes, all PvE content you might not have done yet because you're not yet comfortable outside of high sec. If you learn how to use travel safely and use your scanner you can mission and explore out there and still escape 99% of attacks. Many pilots, like myself, are openly offering you advice or lessons on how to escape and evade danger, if you are willing to learn.

Birds push their babies out of the nest not to watch them fall to their doom and feast on their corpse - they push them over the edge so they will learn to spread their wings and fly. I for one WANT you to have fun and play the game the way you want to play it - if PvE is what you enjoy, just don't limit yourself to high sec or give up too early in the face of a challenge.

Hello, everyone! This thread has inspired me to take action to elect hisec-friendly CSM representatives, and have started a political movement/interest group to make it happen. You can find more details about it at http://electacarebear.blogspot.com (also linked in my bio).

I have included some details out of this thread, which has great discussion on this point. Could I get some feedback?

Let's make a difference!

I didn't start a blog nor request your ISK while campaigning for a cause, so can I have your stuff instead?

Though I suppose the blog part could be good for getting info out?

What exactly does a candidate need isk for to run a CSM campaign? I still haven't heard a great answer to this question yet. Engaging in dialogue with players, making up campaign posters / propaganda, doing interviews with media, rallying friends to invite their friends to vote, all these things are absolutely free.

The things you listed are things that candidates should be doing (I wouldn't vote for one if he didn't). The funding is a (perhaps hare-brained) idea of mine.

People are attracted to ISK, and particularly attracted to those who give it out for free. They develop a sort of loyalty to those they receive gifts from. In some countries, it has happened that candidates have glided into office on events where they give out the equivalent of $5 to every attendee for the attendee's promise to vote for said candidate.

In Eve, you can get more creative than just giving money out. For example, you could do a piñata event, when the candidate undocks in ships that a corpmate then pops, giving attendees the excitement of the "first grab", plus free stuff. Another idea is to go around belts, or to enter people's lvl 4 missions, drop a can with some symbolic amount of sweet loot in it, abandon it (not ganking carebears here), and give it a pithy slogan for a name or something.

There are probably much better ideas that I haven't had yet, mostly because this is all the result of a caffeine-fueled mind blast, but you probably get what I mean.

Someone who receives free stuff with no string attached is far more likely to tell their friends, if only because of the "wtf" factor.

Doing something like this costs spectacular amounts of ISK though, and I don't know of anyone who would be able to afford it single-handedly. Well... moon-goo funded nullsec alliances probably could, but that's not the sort of candidates I'm looking to support.

100 people donating 100 mil (a day or two worth of level 4 missioning), makes 10 bil. You can do a lot with that.

I only managed to get to page three before the amount of stupid in this thread overwhelmed me.

Forced voting is bad, when you force people to do things bad things tend to happen. Crying people who got scammed how happy will you feel when the trolls vote an all scammer/space criminal CSM in just because your tears are so delicious? People do a lot for tears in the game don't doubt that this would happen. What happens when a bunch of total morons get elected to CSM and you get CCP ignoring major issues to paint smiles on asteroids that you can see from inside the station?

In summary for the people that are to impatient to read that small rant above.

Forced voting = bad possibilities > > > > good possibilities.

Removing CSM in favor of a poll is bad as well a human sanity filter is what is needed. It sounds like this CSM is doing a great job of that as well.

OP I have no idea what STV is, I'm a life/physical science guy not a poli sci guy but the fact that you didn't explain it in layman's terms leads me to believe that you have little to no understanding of it and shouldn't be touting it.

Equating a video game to real life democracy is also stupid, just for having to type that I'm going to go have a shot of Tequila.

Shameless plug: Vote for me for CSM I'm not qualified in any way but I'm not for or against any sec!