Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Uh oh game over.

Well since CCP still has not released any subscription numbers we have to go on 3rd party numbers of minus 18%. ( If the numbers where good as they were in the past they would not have any trouble showing them, speculation! ) That 18 % was mostly from miners throwing in the towel. http://nosygamer.blogspot.com/2015/04/as-we-approach-eve-onlines-12th.html

Now thanks to a big push from the CSM null sec block high sec mining will be nerfed again! Trit is tthe only thing HS had to offer in this game for people who want to be industral toons in HS! Well with the buff of trit in the higher end ores and the increase of zydrine mega for ships will strain the HS player.

CSM expects HS players will suddenly want to listen to teen something 20 something commanders ordering them what to do! Sorry, not happening. I expect another 18% of players say door and leave! Between miners switching to mission running and scan sites utterly worthless unless you have a gand of 4 to catch the warping cans! What is the average player suppose to do??? Let me guess buy PLEX CARDS to play!!!!!!!!!! Not going to happen !!! Door please!!!!!

Still mad about the greatest ship ever created! The Venture has utterly made the Hulk useless! So mush for having 100 million mining toon only to watch Mr Venture match me 85 %%%%%%%

I magine if I could fly a tech one frigate that would match 85% of the PVP power of a Paladin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Be alot of PVP players would go door!!!! Thnaks for memory CCP/CSM but my 3 account are done! Ask the CSM to pick up my bill!!!!!

Its impossible to tell where the 18% reduction comes from, miners could make a big part of it, but Id wager most of those miners are bots, since mining has traditionally provided a very steady (all be it shite) income stream. A lot of that % could also be from folks in NS who lost their space...folks in LS who are tired of it being mostly empty except in blob filled FW space.

I wouldn't read to much into the 18% all that shows is that people have left the game, it doesn't give a why, who, or where.

Although interestingly enough CCP did release some hard numbers recently, and shockingly (to me anyway) of active players 75% of them exist in HS. So in that vein it does seem odd CCP is catering to a vast minority of people with these changes. Lord knows folks ain't going to be packing their bags and heading to null sec just to mine.

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Well since CCP still has not released any subscription numbers we have to go on 3rd party numbers of minus 18%. ( If the numbers where good as they were in the past they would not have any trouble showing them, speculation! ) That 18 % was mostly from miners throwing in the towel. http://nosygamer.blogspot.com/2015/04/as-we-approach-eve-onlines-12th.html

Now thanks to a big push from the CSM null sec block high sec mining will be nerfed again! Trit is tthe only thing HS had to offer in this game for people who want to be industral toons in HS! Well with the buff of trit in the higher end ores and the increase of zydrine mega for ships will strain the HS player.

CSM expects HS players will suddenly want to listen to teen something 20 something commanders ordering them what to do! Sorry, not happening. I expect another 18% of players say door and leave! Between miners switching to mission running and scan sites utterly worthless unless you have a gand of 4 to catch the warping cans! What is the average player suppose to do??? Let me guess buy PLEX CARDS to play!!!!!!!!!! Not going to happen !!! Door please!!!!!

Still mad about the greatest ship ever created! The Venture has utterly made the Hulk useless! So mush for having 100 million mining toon only to watch Mr Venture match me 85 %%%%%%%

I magine if I could fly a tech one frigate that would match 85% of the PVP power of a Paladin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Be alot of PVP players would go door!!!! Thnaks for memory CCP/CSM but my 3 account are done! Ask the CSM to pick up my bill!!!!!

Maybe when you guys find a way to make mining feasable in null sec then the supply demand might be stabalized but the fact that being in a mining ship means any person with a combat ship is going to kill you, simple maybe if you gave a chance to the miners then people would mine in null sec but as it is you need a stable alliance with decent sov just to be able to get out there and even then there will be roaming gangs everywhere so maybe you should deal with the real problem MINERS ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A FISH ON A HOOK TO EVERYONE WHO DOESNT MINE fix that issue and more people will venture into null sec and mine more

+1 FIX THE RORQUAL

All these changes only address one side (and the less important one of) of why null mining isn't happening.

Mining as it is, is a very uninteractive activity. You need a bunch of people sitting in a belt for hours, who can do nothing but drag ore from their bay. At the same time you need someone to clear the rats (who gets to do nothing for ~30min, then be active for 2) and if you plan to defend from PvP enemies, you need a sizable gang on standby (which is supremely boring).


Secondly the exhumers (or at least 1-2 of them or a new class of mining ships) need to be redesigned with the idea of nullsec defensive combat. This doesn't just mean lots of tank, because a helpless ship with lots of tank will just get ground down eventually. They need to actually be able to protect themselves, something like bonuses and slots to allow fitting of undersized weapons (or RLMLs) that would allow a pack of exhumers to not be a pushover for a smaller number of inities or a torp bomber drop. For example adding a max 3 fitted to strip miners, and adding turret/launcher highs, more mids and bonusing small weapons on the hull, but reducing warp speed to make them undesirable offensively.

Hi,

I am not a fan of these changes. I do not think you have adequately considered price and manufacturing pressure on existing items. Many items are unprofitable to manufacture in their current form and invention is a total mess even with recent changes, so increasing the mineral cost for these items at the same time sovereignty changes are being introduced is going to have a hugely negative impact on the game, making it much more expensive for people to play. Which works great for your pocketbook, until you start losing subscribers.

I like the idea of nullsec minerals increasing in importance and increasing nullsec self-sufficiency, but the reality is that life is already very difficult for most miners both high and lowsec, and the nullsec mining climate is going to get much more hostile with the increases in roaming gangs under the new sovereignty system. Which is totally fine, but it is going to have a serious net impact on prices, which in turn is going to continue to help the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

CCP's changes are getting less and less clued by the day. There are some fantastic ideas being bandied around (and I applaud the innovative spirit, particularly of the structure changes which I think are the best thing to happen to EVE in almost a decade) but the rush to put them in place before they have been thought through is pretty obvious.

Before you do anything, you need to wait for the changes from Fozziesov to settle out, rebalance the industrial ships, take a good hard look at manufacturing profit and mineral content overall, and consider making PVPers make a choice between killing miners/industrialists and killing everything else. My suggestion would be to offer specialized arrays for scanning down mining anomalies. Then there's the question of how to get these minerals out of null, which has gotten pretty difficult with the absolutely dimwitted travel changes and has essentially pushed everyone towards jump freighters.

You can't rely on the market dataset; there are too many items there being sold at levels currently unprofitable to manufacture, which leads one to question whether CCP has any sense of what is actually going on.

If you don't fix industry, EVE will continue to be too expensive to play.

Can you please stop with the braindead decisions?

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Still mad about the greatest ship ever created! The Venture has utterly made the Hulk useless! So mush for having 100 million mining toon only to watch Mr Venture match me 85 %%%%%%%

which should never happen since they warp so fast with +2 Warp Core.)