Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You're right. I guess I got stuck on siege due to the role that Entosis is more or less taking over (from siege).

Until I hear some deeper reasoning to justify numbers as being a bad thing, I'm stuck in disagreement. Compared to damage (EHP), things like invulnerability, timers, and a special module will remain, in my mind, nothing more than 'because magic' a la WoW. In the meantime, I'll live without an explanation to satisfy my curiosity, so I suppose it'll just have to be whatever. Magic game mechanics break my immersion quite a bit, but who cares about RP right.

I don't see why the EHP can't be part of the conflict. It can be called a grind, but if you're uncontested while grinding EHP, then you should consider yourself fortunate.

Oh, and magic capacitor creation through cap chaining... that's hilariously fake and I love abusing making use of it.

At the very least, I think Entosis links should have skills that reduce cycle time.

See, that point about man hours. You have to submit to a set number of minutes under Entosis. Unlike right now, like I did on Sisi last night, just bring three or four dreads and get it done in 10 mins. I don't think it's a worthwhile trade off. I also don't see why Fozzie expressed such a strong negative sentiment toward HP objectives. Does he grind structures alone, with just one character?

If the goal was to negate multiboxing, which his other comment about wanting to remove fleet warp makes me wonder if he has a thing against multiboxing... it's a failure. Allowing me to flip something with just one character only means I can flip several things at once.

What's the problem with bringing max dudes, I mean, isn't that what Entosis does... proliferates sov flipping down to just one character? I'm just spitballing and exploring possible motivations here.

Man you can get a lot done with just three or four dreads. It's not that hard. I'm very confident the number of Entosis minutes will be more than 10 (two siege cycles), which is a current threshold that is very easy to stay under.

My point is still the same as it was at the beginning of the last page: Why is so much being changed for the sake of something that is already easy with five to six ships, while keeping the timers which cause most of the clunkiness.

The timers are what allow reinforcements to slowboat across regions in time to defend systems they don't live in.

Doesn't make sense to me.

You could attack several systems owned by an alliance at once, sure, but that's not new. You can already put that kind of pressure on an alliance right now.

I ref'd that station in 2 cycles, btw. I took out some of the services because I still had time left on my siege cycles.

If a limited vulnerability window is going to be implemented, timers should synchronize, rather than exit at some random number of hours +/-. I'd agree with the timers and the vulnerability if timers come out at the same time alliance-wide.

Explain to me how I'm off. I showed up as SBUs onlined, reinforced the Ihub and then the outpost, took 20 mins. Am I missing something?

If vulnerability will only be for a period of 4 hours per day, why can't I run straight through EHP for those four hours. Is it too much to expect players to be vigilant for 4 hours? Is 1 hour better?

I just logged in to that system to check the timers, I didn't write anything down... I still can't do anything for 1 or 2 days, depending on the structure.

I don't see why people will bother. Have you checked rental prices? Most of them are one or two billion ISK per month. If that's really what systems are worth, really, why do people bother, outside of attrition.


Sov griefing is quite real & enjoyable content for some players m8. Why do you think I'm putting in the extra time and doing my homework on Sisi right now. I'm being objective about it in this discussion, but m8...

I missed that figure, 120 minutes of Entosis?

Welp. At least there's still POSes to cherry pick.

(120 minutes... what is that balanced against... a ratting carrier?)

10 capture points with a T2 mod (warm up time 2 minutes)

10 points x 12 minute capture

god forbid any poor man is forced to try and claim lots of sov sov with a carrier fleet, or is that a good thing? who knows.

I believe the timer is in counter to the option of not having a timer. It gives time for alliance members to arrive or to grab ships from a staging system, etc. If you still manage to lose the system due to neglect, its even more reason you need to fight later on.

The 4 hour window is to ensure the defending alliance has a reasonable chance to organize a defense in a TZ they are actually using, rather than playing TZ games. it has its advantages and disadvantages over the old system.

The day (20-28 hours) is much less than the possible 6 for current mechanics. And since the barrier for entry was lowered substantially, the defenders are granted the ability to roughly decide the time of engagements, whereas the offender can decide the place. But, again, I dont necessarily like the way the 4 hour window works in its suggested form. Has potential to exclude parts of the alliance from assisting in defense, makes you pick favorites really.

Sometimes gameplay has to trump story. If you need an explanation then invent one. Like whatever system it is that creates the invulnerability field needs to vent waste products and this creates a vulnerability period.

The alternative, removing these timers for the sake of people finding them unsatisfactory for Lore reasons, creates an unplayable bad gameplay situation so that's not an option.



There's already a simple explanation for cap chain. Your ships capacitor is one power source, its power-grid is another. The Capacitor Transfer module makes use of some combination of ship's powergrid and chemical reactions to take the energy jolt from your ship's capacitor and transfer energy to another ship. This may be in some way related to Cap Recharger module and how it improves cap recharge rate.

The problem I see with having skills that reduce Entosis Cycle time is that Sov has accessibility problems currently. It's basically "bring supers/Caps or go home" and it's universally dominated by alliances with lots of high skill players. Since there is a clear advantage to having reduced cycle time the module needs to be balanced around the lowest possible cycle time. This means that if you don't have that you're at a distinct disadvantage starting from the design intent and working down from there.



The current problem with Structure Grinds is that they're boring and basically mean "throw people at it" becomes a mechanic. If enemies aren't going to contest you still need to drag a huge cap fleet around to every structure you want to knock over, which also makes them very hard to defend since there's a point where you have enough people to just have everyone press F1 (or I guess F2 for Titans?) on the structure and it either goes boom or enters its next timer.

The Entosis mechanic means you can send a small squad or series of squads around to every timer and get them all done at once, and you can't just throw a massive fleet at a timer and clear it out in one Siege Cycle. Worst case scenario is you getting a fight out of it as both sides escalate their harassment and response.



This figure is incorrect, at worst it's 40 minutes to flip a Node, and you need 10 nodes. Since 5 spawn at a time you're looking at a best-worst-case of 80 minutes uncontested, but that's for fully occupied Sov. Also Entosis is taking over all structure shooting mechanics, though the details outside of Sov are a bit fuzzy.



Having timers all come out at a fixed time also hurts the defenders, since an entrenched group may have enough defenders advantage to cover one timer, but not two. Of course there's always the chance two could spawn fairly close together as well but I think that makes for fun randomness as opposed to frustrating randomness. That said, I think maybe moving the timer window to the *start* of the 4 hour window helps matters, since having one start at the end of your Alliance's Prime Time window could make defense hard for those who have work in the morning.