Player Features and Ideas Discussion

LOL have you looked which alliance you are in?

The CFC is very, very good at putting numbers on the field and keeping them there - there's no question about that. I doubt that many attackers can match you one-to-one with 255-man cap fleets at all, let alone keep doing so for longer than you can.

I can believe that Moa or someone like them could field two or three 30-man cruiser fleets (or BLOPs gangs, or interceptor wings...) for each CFC 255-man cap fleet, and keep those in the field essentially indefinitely.

The question then is whether those 30-man fleets can use their superior mobility to beat the defenders to enough of the capture nodes to pose a serious threat. There's no way they'll win any contest that a defending heavy fleet gets to, but they've got at least five possible targets at any one time, spread over half-a-dozen potential systems, respawning in locations that the defenders cannot predict in advance. At that point, 'drop so much force in one place that the defenders can't engage' starts looking a lot less like a guaranteed victory.

Of course, that's assuming only one defending heavy fleet. No doubt the CFC could field half-a-dozen at once if they really needed to - enough to dedicate one to each possible capture node, and still have forces left to camp the gates. That should be enough to guarantee victory against virtually any attack... any one attack.

What happens when Gevlon digs a little deeper into his warchest and hires mercenaries to attack five constellations at once? When WH corps are hitting OAs behind the front lines at the same time, to weaken the defences against raiders looking for ratters to hunt? When half-a-dozen NPC-null groups see the chaos, and decide to pile in and see how many mining/customs office kill-mails they can extract?

"Numbers and organisation" can win a war very effectively. If you mobilise them against a specific enemy, you're 100% right in saying that you either wouldn't lose any space at all, or would just take it back immediately. But winning a war is one thing; stamping out brushfires is another one entirely. When the barrier to entry for attacking sov is a handful of subcaps, large coalitions aren't going to have the luxury of mobilising all their forces against a single target, they're going to be playing whack-a-mole against an endless stream of smaller groups, with new ones always waiting in the wings to take over as the old ones get bored or run out of resources. They might not have much chance of actually holdling sov once they take it, but they'll come anyway - there's always someone convinced that they're going to be the lucky one-in-a-thousand who does. And others won't even try - they'll attack because "GRRR GOONS", or for the fights, or just to watch the world burn...

lets say every ihub/tcu/outpost in the RFY constellation in deklein gets reinforced. how would the CFC defend up to 370 capture annoms over 13 systems? and this is just one constellation lets say that the entire deklein region gets reinforced that would be well over 1000 caputre events... that would spread those large fleets rather thin if you ask me... making smaller 3rd party high skill level pvp alliances viable. vs the 1000 people on one grid f1 monkeys

they dont have to reinforce 370 annoms... they have to reinforce things like ihubs and outposts which spawn 10 capture annoms each.

lets say cfc is busy in delve and a group of players take advantage of the primetime and reinforce all of the rfy constellation that will result in 370 caputure annoms when reinforce is done...

now lets say that time is the same time that a caputre for nol is going on... now the cfc has to split its forces once between nol and rfy and then 13 more times to caputre the annoms...

Honestly if you guys can pull off 48 full fleets you win eve... do i think it will happen? no... most fleets i have seen from cfc is what like 5-6 full fleets?

255*6 = 1530 people now lets say you split those even between those 13 systems now thats 117 per system and even less per annom... that is low enough for a medium sized force to engage... basically what i am saying is the new system is going to make small to medium high skilled forces rather effective.

and what happens when you have the bulk of your forces deployed and you have to pick defend or take?

Maybe you could rent out those lasers?

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Absent further information, the respectable participants of this completely non-biased, non-Illusions de Grandeur discussion have determined the following TL;DR:

Bigger Better.

BUT THEY'RE BRINGING IN RIFTERS WITH INQ SUPPORT, MAN - Rifters! \m/

I hope these changes might make it easier for smaller groups to take sov. Not because of superior force but lack of interest in the large powers to keep outer non crucial systems.

An example would be say a non useful that does not have any high value moons. A small alliance can take the system. The larger alliance may keep them neutral but not take the system back because it gives them targets to kill. The smaller alliance would have a foothold in null sec.

Also larger alliances can use the small alliances as buffer against invasion from another large group.

Most alliances that may want to take sov would be no match for the mega alliances and coalitions like the CFC or any other mega alliance.