Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The problem is that it will discourage any form of confrontation. Go up to any FC and ask him if he'll jump into a system where the defenders are from an alliance known to utilize sentries to their fullest extend, has the numbers to easily put 700 people into a system on a whim, and has supercapital support in-system.

CCP wanted to make Entosis sov encourage battles, but it's going to be similar to "jam yesterday, jam today, and damned if there wont be jam tomorrow". Oh sure, there's going to be some systems changing hands, but those will be either from smaller alliances as they consolidate and possibly move around, but larger coalitions like GSF can quickly mobilize defense fleets and use our extensive JB network and use titan bridges to run around and swat flies. I'm not saying this won't prevent new alliances from forming, but I am saying they're going to live under the constant thread of GSF or N3 or whoever rolling through one day and perma-camping the system till it breaks 24/7.

If CCP's plan works and the new mechanics force a spread of defensive fleet constellation-wide (and further because why would you just hit one constellation?), then I think that this certainly will encourage some really nice battles. It's going to turn entities like Goons into the content-delivering foes we want them to be....or they can eat their 'weaponized boredom' while stuff gets flipped.

1) There are entire constellations of EVE that's completely devoid of players right now. Balance the rats, loot, and anoms, and people will spread out more.

2) The CFC spans the entire worldwide TZ in one way or another. The only way I see to take a system (for a day) from the CFC under FozzieSov is to wait until AU TZ, just after DT if needed, and pick off a system before anyone can form a response fleet. But then, you get to witness alarm-clock ops in action when the CFC decides they really want that system back.

I'd imagine this was already mentioned. I didn't read the 15 pages.

Why the restriction on remote assist?

I don't quite see a reason to activate the entosis link before the enemy is wiped of the grid?

As attacker you have to think about how many entosis-ships you are bringing, too few and you might lose them all and gained probably nothing. If you try to actively use entosis throughout the fight the entosis ships are easy pickings without remote reps and probably explode right away. Why make your ships vulnerable if you are fighting for control?

As defender you have the advantage that you have shorter supply routes and can reship in entosis-ships faster thus the attacker will loose in a perfectly balanced fight. But wouldn't that mean nobody will even bother to bring their entosis-ships on grid before the fight is won?

Am I missing something?

If it is control of the grid you want to measure, why does the method of measuring control entail reducing the strength of your fleet (vulnerable entosis-ship) which means less control? (I know quantum mechanics and measurement means influencing the state. But this is not quantum mechanics.)

If you want to avoid deadlocks with this restriction I am sure there are better ways.

Think of it like this. You run the other fleet off grid, but they leave a scout on grid and see that some of the ships have started activating the entosis link. The defenders then switch into a) bombers b) Sniper ABCs c) Sniper HACs d) CODE gank cats e) gank comets f) DERPTRONS! etc and proceed to gank all of the entosis linking ships because they're stuck on grid and can't receive reps.

You hold the grid, but the defenders still have every chance to make you not be able to capture the node. That's exactly why remote reps can't be used because the give the defender a chance even thought you have thousands of ships all set up with sentries out. Now if you start using your titans to capture the node....well lets just hope PL/other Super Cap entity gets wind and is interested.

because otherwise you will have fleets of 1 t3 and 50 logis ignoring the defenders and simply drilling trough the capture points.

I think GSF pilots are too confident in their ability to hold onto all of their space because "numbers and organization".
Sure, I'm 100% certain that the absolutely critical areas will receive adequate coverage, but it'll be impossible to hold onto all the outlying regions when the entrance bar gets lowered this much.

Its basicly a case of having a far shorter "warmup" phase prior to flipping a system here and there. I'm certain the CFC could deploy 5 or 6 full fleets if they have to, but that wont be enough when you have 10 to 15 flies swatting at sov in 7 different constellations.
They could be engaged ofcourse, but unless one chooses to concentrate on one or two groups, they wont be horribly outblobbed anywhere.

That is why I think the pessimistic fozziesov predictions made in here are bogus.

The most powerful fleet will still win, true. The side that comes early and prepares blockades on all relevant gates in an area will also enjoy a distinct advantage.
But the entire point of fozziesov is that the attacker can decide to just ignore the area they were going to attack and where you just piled all your active people in. They can then move in smaller groups and engage two different constellations. What will your fleets do then? Pick one to defend or split up? That will be a choice to be made. Especially considering the fact that whilst you can rely on several fleets on a regular basis for a big coalition, you cant rely on people keeping that up for months indefinately.

"Oh look, someone is flipping a system. Isn't that sweet?"
"Come and fight us cowards!"
"Why? We are already staged out of an NPC station and can come and flip the system back when it suits us just as easily as you are doing it now."

Is the idea that the 50 logis are ... repping?? or what. Whoever has a link running can't be repped so they will probably die pretty fast unless they are speed tanking like ... well you know, a ship that can go really fast with a small sig radius or something

I'd rather that CCP adds 6 to 8 new regions that have to be found through something similar to deep probes (from way back when), possibly augmented by the new Observatory Arrays.