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Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
#1 - 2015-03-25 13:24:56 UTC
I am here today to make a declaration. The Intaki must be freed from the grasp of the Gallente Federation. While I am a Deiteis fighting for the Amarrian Empire (at least for now), I know there are many Intaki who wish to be fully liberated. For example, Mordu's Legion, the Syndicate, and the Capsuleer Organization known as the Intaki Liberation Force. The Intaki people should be free. Us Caldari know the hardships of the Intaki better then anyone. We were once forced to bow to the Federation. They call the Empire immoral, but they do the same to the Intaki, and formerly to the Caldari.

We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Foley Aberas Jones
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-03-25 13:27:20 UTC
Ok
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
#3 - 2015-03-25 13:28:51 UTC
Foley Aberas Jones wrote:
Ok


Do you agree with this declaration?

We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-03-25 13:42:07 UTC
Us Intaki have literally seen it all before, w have no need of others declaring our freedom. My freedom comes from a pod full of goo and a whole bunch of me's...Other make there freedom as they choose.
Foley Aberas Jones
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-03-25 13:49:58 UTC
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Foley Aberas Jones wrote:
Ok


Do you agree with this declaration?


Well this kinda thing has been said a billion times now..The question is, are you just talking about it or actually doing something like ILF

certainly don't need a Caldari working for the amarr to speak for their freedom when there are already motherfuckers dieing to claim that freedom
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-03-25 13:56:58 UTC
Yes the Intaki are so oppressed. It's not like we had an Intaki president before.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
#7 - 2015-03-25 14:01:44 UTC
Foley Aberas Jones wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Foley Aberas Jones wrote:
Ok


Do you agree with this declaration?


Well this kinda thing has been said a billion times now..The question is, are you just talking about it or actually doing something like ILF

certainly don't need a Caldari working for the amarr to speak for their freedom when there are already motherfuckers dieing to claim that freedom


I am simply trying to promote this aspect to others besides the Intaki themselves. The Intaki are oppressed, and I believe that if the Intaki were to form an alliance with the Caldari then we could easily free them from the Federation. I simply do not fight because there is not much of a group to fight with. I am trying to raise that group.

We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Viron Tash-Murkon
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-03-25 14:06:48 UTC
None shall be freed, yet brought under the boot of the Empire. I am the Reclamation, and I will restore the Empire and bring the Galaxy under the New Empire's boot. I am the Reclamation, and I am Immortal.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#9 - 2015-03-25 14:15:00 UTC
Intaki are already free; just let Syndicate take over Placid from the Federation and let life continue on its way.

Viron Tash-Murkon wrote:
None shall be freed, yet brought under the boot of the Empire. I am the Reclamation, and I will restore the Empire and bring the Galaxy under the New Empire's boot. I am the Reclamation, and I am Immortal.


More like Viron Ardishapur in that case. I'm not sure your big sister Catiz would like that kind of tone to be used in public, hm?

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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-03-25 14:15:19 UTC
Viron Tash-Murkon wrote:
None shall be freed, yet brought under the boot of the Empire. I am the Reclamation, and I will restore the Empire and bring the Galaxy under the New Empire's boot. I am the Reclamation, and I am Immortal.


I'm already free, your Empire has nothing to do with it. Oh and having clones doesn't make you immortal, it just gives you new bodies as long as one is waiting for you and the transfer doesn't screw up.
Viron Tash-Murkon
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-03-25 14:19:25 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
Intaki are already free; just let Syndicate take over Placid from the Federation and let life continue on its way.

Viron Tash-Murkon wrote:
None shall be freed, yet brought under the boot of the Empire. I am the Reclamation, and I will restore the Empire and bring the Galaxy under the New Empire's boot. I am the Reclamation, and I am Immortal.


More like Viron Ardishapur in that case. I'm not sure your big sister Catiz would like that kind of tone to be used in public, hm?



My family is full of Heretics, using money to control the Empire. I will restore the Order of Reclamation, restore the Empire, and bring the Galaxy to its knees! I am part of the Tash-Murkon family only in name. They are heretics, and they are enemies of God. My Empire is not to free, but to enslave.
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-03-25 14:35:07 UTC
Its best not to speak for all Intaki. There are many Intaki who believe that the only place that we, as a people, could truly survive is within the Federation. Contrarily, there are many Intaki who believe in succession, loyalty to the State, or simply as nomadic mercenaries.

The Intaki are too fluid and free-form to have one consolidated plan of action - which ironically may be the reason we are best suited to stay within the Federation. I, personally, believe that every Intaki should be free to make their own choice and that any "liberation" should be done in the strict eventuality that we all unanimously or majorly agree toward it. There's simply not enough evidence for that.

I was once part of the ILF and greatly appreciate their cause but their mannerisms are... Finicky to me. They regard placing bounties on outside entities as an act of piracy - something that doesn't sit well with me. If I am not free to fight for what I believe than surely I should at least be allowed to exact justice by other means.

Intaki Liberation in and of itself is rather problematic; we relied on the support of Ishukone and Mordu's Legion for our defense, lacking a sizable police force of our own over Intaki Prime... Intaki Prime itself is smack dab in the middle of the warzone and further more it's security status is dreadfully low, meaning that even CONCORD dares not to set foot in matters of our defense. Sure, the Federation and it's subsidiaries like to play rough and are inconsistent in their ways (Villore Accords still attacks the ILF, apparently) but let's be honest, the Intaki are spread far too thin both in ideology and in physical location to unify under one banner.

It's unfortunate, but our place is best where it is.

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
#13 - 2015-03-25 14:40:40 UTC
Nomistrav wrote:
Its best not to speak for all Intaki. There are many Intaki who believe that the only place that we, as a people, could truly survive is within the Federation. Contrarily, there are many Intaki who believe in succession, loyalty to the State, or simply as nomadic mercenaries.

The Intaki are too fluid and free-form to have one consolidated plan of action - which ironically may be the reason we are best suited to stay within the Federation. I, personally, believe that every Intaki should be free to make their own choice and that any "liberation" should be done in the strict eventuality that we all unanimously or majorly agree toward it. There's simply not enough evidence for that.

I was once part of the ILF and greatly appreciate their cause but their mannerisms are... Finicky to me. They regard placing bounties on outside entities as an act of piracy - something that doesn't sit well with me. If I am not free to fight for what I believe than surely I should at least be allowed to exact justice by other means.

Intaki Liberation in and of itself is rather problematic; we relied on the support of Ishukone and Mordu's Legion for our defense, lacking a sizable police force of our own over Intaki Prime... Intaki Prime itself is smack dab in the middle of the warzone and further more it's security status is dreadfully low, meaning that even CONCORD dares not to set foot in matters of our defense. Sure, the Federation and it's subsidiaries like to play rough and are inconsistent in their ways (Villore Accords still attacks the ILF, apparently) but let's be honest, the Intaki are spread far too thin both in ideology and in physical location to unify under one banner.

It's unfortunate, but our place is best where it is.



I understand this, but would it not be agreeable to liberate at least the Intaki that wanted to be Liberated?

We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Astera Zandraki
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#14 - 2015-03-25 14:42:11 UTC
Um, as one Intaki, I'd rather not leave the Federation, thanks. I like being able to tell my government to go **** itself, oh, and being able to change it is nice to.
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-03-25 15:42:25 UTC
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:
Its best not to speak for all Intaki. There are many Intaki who believe that the only place that we, as a people, could truly survive is within the Federation. Contrarily, there are many Intaki who believe in succession, loyalty to the State, or simply as nomadic mercenaries.

The Intaki are too fluid and free-form to have one consolidated plan of action - which ironically may be the reason we are best suited to stay within the Federation. I, personally, believe that every Intaki should be free to make their own choice and that any "liberation" should be done in the strict eventuality that we all unanimously or majorly agree toward it. There's simply not enough evidence for that.

I was once part of the ILF and greatly appreciate their cause but their mannerisms are... Finicky to me. They regard placing bounties on outside entities as an act of piracy - something that doesn't sit well with me. If I am not free to fight for what I believe than surely I should at least be allowed to exact justice by other means.

Intaki Liberation in and of itself is rather problematic; we relied on the support of Ishukone and Mordu's Legion for our defense, lacking a sizable police force of our own over Intaki Prime... Intaki Prime itself is smack dab in the middle of the warzone and further more it's security status is dreadfully low, meaning that even CONCORD dares not to set foot in matters of our defense. Sure, the Federation and it's subsidiaries like to play rough and are inconsistent in their ways (Villore Accords still attacks the ILF, apparently) but let's be honest, the Intaki are spread far too thin both in ideology and in physical location to unify under one banner.

It's unfortunate, but our place is best where it is.



I understand this, but would it not be agreeable to liberate at least the Intaki that wanted to be Liberated?


Start by doing what no-one else has yet been able too and pry Intaki out of the Gallente/Caldari warzone.

Next, accomplish - again - what no-one else has yet done by convincing CONCORD to increase the security status of the system and give police escorts.

Then maybe, just maybe, liberation will be a viable alternative.

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
#16 - 2015-03-25 15:48:37 UTC
Nomistrav wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:
Its best not to speak for all Intaki. There are many Intaki who believe that the only place that we, as a people, could truly survive is within the Federation. Contrarily, there are many Intaki who believe in succession, loyalty to the State, or simply as nomadic mercenaries.

The Intaki are too fluid and free-form to have one consolidated plan of action - which ironically may be the reason we are best suited to stay within the Federation. I, personally, believe that every Intaki should be free to make their own choice and that any "liberation" should be done in the strict eventuality that we all unanimously or majorly agree toward it. There's simply not enough evidence for that.

I was once part of the ILF and greatly appreciate their cause but their mannerisms are... Finicky to me. They regard placing bounties on outside entities as an act of piracy - something that doesn't sit well with me. If I am not free to fight for what I believe than surely I should at least be allowed to exact justice by other means.

Intaki Liberation in and of itself is rather problematic; we relied on the support of Ishukone and Mordu's Legion for our defense, lacking a sizable police force of our own over Intaki Prime... Intaki Prime itself is smack dab in the middle of the warzone and further more it's security status is dreadfully low, meaning that even CONCORD dares not to set foot in matters of our defense. Sure, the Federation and it's subsidiaries like to play rough and are inconsistent in their ways (Villore Accords still attacks the ILF, apparently) but let's be honest, the Intaki are spread far too thin both in ideology and in physical location to unify under one banner.

It's unfortunate, but our place is best where it is.



I understand this, but would it not be agreeable to liberate at least the Intaki that wanted to be Liberated?


Start by doing what no-one else has yet been able too and pry Intaki out of the Gallente/Caldari warzone.

Next, accomplish - again - what no-one else has yet done by convincing CONCORD to increase the security status of the system and give police escorts.

Then maybe, just maybe, liberation will be a viable alternative.


If only that were possible. However, the ILF has been offering protective services in-system. Are not immortals such as us a viable alternative to CONCORD?

We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-03-25 16:13:32 UTC
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:
Its best not to speak for all Intaki. There are many Intaki who believe that the only place that we, as a people, could truly survive is within the Federation. Contrarily, there are many Intaki who believe in succession, loyalty to the State, or simply as nomadic mercenaries.

The Intaki are too fluid and free-form to have one consolidated plan of action - which ironically may be the reason we are best suited to stay within the Federation. I, personally, believe that every Intaki should be free to make their own choice and that any "liberation" should be done in the strict eventuality that we all unanimously or majorly agree toward it. There's simply not enough evidence for that.

I was once part of the ILF and greatly appreciate their cause but their mannerisms are... Finicky to me. They regard placing bounties on outside entities as an act of piracy - something that doesn't sit well with me. If I am not free to fight for what I believe than surely I should at least be allowed to exact justice by other means.

Intaki Liberation in and of itself is rather problematic; we relied on the support of Ishukone and Mordu's Legion for our defense, lacking a sizable police force of our own over Intaki Prime... Intaki Prime itself is smack dab in the middle of the warzone and further more it's security status is dreadfully low, meaning that even CONCORD dares not to set foot in matters of our defense. Sure, the Federation and it's subsidiaries like to play rough and are inconsistent in their ways (Villore Accords still attacks the ILF, apparently) but let's be honest, the Intaki are spread far too thin both in ideology and in physical location to unify under one banner.

It's unfortunate, but our place is best where it is.



I understand this, but would it not be agreeable to liberate at least the Intaki that wanted to be Liberated?


Start by doing what no-one else has yet been able too and pry Intaki out of the Gallente/Caldari warzone.

Next, accomplish - again - what no-one else has yet done by convincing CONCORD to increase the security status of the system and give police escorts.

Then maybe, just maybe, liberation will be a viable alternative.


If only that were possible. However, the ILF has been offering protective services in-system. Are not immortals such as us a viable alternative to CONCORD?


Refer to the reason why Capsuleers are formally allowed to fight for the factions in the first place.

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
#18 - 2015-03-25 16:59:10 UTC
Nomistrav wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:
Its best not to speak for all Intaki. There are many Intaki who believe that the only place that we, as a people, could truly survive is within the Federation. Contrarily, there are many Intaki who believe in succession, loyalty to the State, or simply as nomadic mercenaries.

The Intaki are too fluid and free-form to have one consolidated plan of action - which ironically may be the reason we are best suited to stay within the Federation. I, personally, believe that every Intaki should be free to make their own choice and that any "liberation" should be done in the strict eventuality that we all unanimously or majorly agree toward it. There's simply not enough evidence for that.

I was once part of the ILF and greatly appreciate their cause but their mannerisms are... Finicky to me. They regard placing bounties on outside entities as an act of piracy - something that doesn't sit well with me. If I am not free to fight for what I believe than surely I should at least be allowed to exact justice by other means.

Intaki Liberation in and of itself is rather problematic; we relied on the support of Ishukone and Mordu's Legion for our defense, lacking a sizable police force of our own over Intaki Prime... Intaki Prime itself is smack dab in the middle of the warzone and further more it's security status is dreadfully low, meaning that even CONCORD dares not to set foot in matters of our defense. Sure, the Federation and it's subsidiaries like to play rough and are inconsistent in their ways (Villore Accords still attacks the ILF, apparently) but let's be honest, the Intaki are spread far too thin both in ideology and in physical location to unify under one banner.

It's unfortunate, but our place is best where it is.



I understand this, but would it not be agreeable to liberate at least the Intaki that wanted to be Liberated?


Start by doing what no-one else has yet been able too and pry Intaki out of the Gallente/Caldari warzone.

Next, accomplish - again - what no-one else has yet done by convincing CONCORD to increase the security status of the system and give police escorts.

Then maybe, just maybe, liberation will be a viable alternative.


If only that were possible. However, the ILF has been offering protective services in-system. Are not immortals such as us a viable alternative to CONCORD?


Refer to the reason why Capsuleers are formally allowed to fight for the factions in the first place.



Because we are technically immortal as long as we have clones. If you have immortal soldiers, your army never dies.

We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Jukko Riis
Doomheim
#19 - 2015-03-25 17:11:22 UTC
I've always supported the idea of a free Intaki.

Ok yeah, I support the idea because it takes a major piece off the board and hurts the Federation on multiple levels.

But if you look at what the Federation has done over the years to Intaki, to Black Rise, to Caldari Prime, you'll clearly see how much of an illusion is their concept of "Freedom." Like a rat in a maze, you're "free" to go in whatever direction you want, as long as you don't buck the system or try to leave.

I'm frankly surprised the Republic still has ties with them.

So yeah, I support any measure that reins in the Federation, especially if it gets people out from under their thumb.

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Alabath Schmidt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-03-25 17:14:37 UTC
Okay.

Get out.
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