Player Features and Ideas Discussion

well lets negate the fact most weapon systems can deal dps beyond the 25km range you harp on about and talk about non damage specific examples being both ECM and Ewar, and inclusive of that it also makes the once irrelevant lockbreaker bomb somewhat worthwhile as a somewhat viable ecm burst. additionaly to that is actual ecm bursts that can be fitted on ceptors that can land ecm burst and warp off pretty much without getting caught

Considering the second point you made, forces are strong in their ability to do the heavy lifting and provide the logistics to keep the war machine rolling are part and parcel of what makes an occupying force dominant enough to occupy.
Your entirely assumed idea that a force that has both the strength of willpower and resource might to keep reshipping and keep at the objective regardless of losses is somehow irrelevant to the progress of war is absurd. Brave are a prime example of that where other lesser orgs have not had the determination that they possess.

A Counterpoint to that however in Eve is that you can utilise stealth bombers to great effect in order to deal damage to many multiple ships at once, especially t1 ships that theyre feeding into the meat grinder. question is can you restock ammo as fast as they can restock ships? logic dictates that to be dominant you should be able to.

and finally yes pause and prevent are two different things, and you should be mindful where you use either, as one is a complete denial of one thing over another and the other is a temporary scenario that trends towards a conclusion.


im also highly enjoying your other discussion trail where you seem to be argueing furiously against the notion of trol ceptors and the 250km sov laser whilst trying to continue to keep a genuine argumentative approach here. =)

I just noticed its now post # 973

As far "its boring" goes - it is less boring that shooting a structure in my opinion. Sov warfare has been traditionally a battle of will in EVE - until at some point number of supercapitals went so high that will had not much to do with holding a sov anymore - it was just a question of having a critical mass of supers.

Shooting trollceptors would be reasonably rewarding activity in addition isk/h wise. Spending about 4.. 5 (1..2 min ship change, about 1 min to try to kill it, 1..2 min ship change back) minutes to a counter one with 25% probability of a kill and 50% probability of 80 mil drop if getting a kill would net roughly 40 mil/tick (a trollceptor kill every 20 minutes but only every second would drop the mod). Sure it will not knock ones socks off but on the other hand it would not be a totally wasted time either isk/h wise.

"Its boring" is anyway a bit too general statement. People find different things interesting. I still cant understand, for example, what was going on in the head of ice miner before the ice mining changes but people were actually doing it. Boring to some guy interesting to some other.

If I would have a sov and I would have a trollceptor problem where I would be dealing with them 4h straight I would fit a specific ship extra for these guys which would be able to kill one reliably in ~60 seconds or more (which would increase the kill rate to 50%).

as some one who has participated in both sov warfare, and ice mining. i can tell you what goes through the head of some one ice mining, or structure bashing.

it's the same.

it's netflix.

can't even watch netflix while doing the boring part of this new sov system.

Imagine a super, stuck on grid for 10 minutes, unable to receive Remote Repair. Why is that a hell no situation?

(1) If there is no one present in local you can freely to do so regardless of ship used.
(2) If there is someone present in local willing to do something about you you will be unsuccessful in that trollceptor and probably die within about 4 tries to create the timer. Exact number depends on what the defender brings.
(3) If you are happy to lose about 2-3 trollceptors / hour I am pretty sure there will be defenders willing to farm you grinning all the way through it every day you are willing to do so.

I've forgotten some of the restrictions... Can you cloak using the E-Link?

Cause if so, **** me.

This is in F&I, like the afk claoking thread, they're basically lightning rods. It's a bore-off, except we thunderdome and ccp doesn't do anything.

Though the poor chaps that have to clean the thread... shrug

Really this whole thread is trying to answer one question, what is "effective military control"?

If I have 20 battleships and 10 guardians on grid and you have 30 vagabonds and 10 scimitars on grid who has "effective military control"? Sure I cant catch you, but you cannot come near my fleet or you die.

Does a super kite-y fleet with the ability to run away exert military control?

The biggest problem is that the answer to that question IS going to effect the fleet meta out in 0.0 and there is no getting around that.

i really don't understand why CCP wants those sov tools to be fitted on ceptors/frigs; after years and years of needing caps/supercaps for taking sov, now we are going to completely the other extreme around, you only need one ceptor....

like really, can anyone find this a bit ********? how about some balance? why this link "must" be allowed on ceptors?
why would anyone use another ship type for harassing sov holders around?

a big fight with tidi and caps/supercaps on field can last hours, so while an alliance is involved in one for example, a gang of 20 ceptors/bombers will be able to reinforce half a region with proposed mechanics... really CCP you are going to extreme with this instead of a more "balanced" option

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