Player Features and Ideas Discussion

obviously i can't do 250km, nor did i ever state that you could

you don't need to lock to 250km to be effective

a malediction's 110km is plenty of buffer

but wait a cerberus can hit a malediction standing still from 110km away, uh ohhhhhhh

oh wait the interceptor has dscan

nah

you can't actually bring forth a valid point for allowing one person to generate disproportionate work to defenders with holdings greater than one system, it's becoming pretty clear

185 Dps instantly applied at that range to a moving target at 5km/s says no.

Am I winning thread now?

Edit: For that matter, a loki can get 2.4k alpha at 110km that will track a sebo fit malediction perfectly at that range.

E-Rekt.

The perl script is failing.

Certainly not - and that might well be what happens. But you did ask why you'd take sov in a system nobody wants to be active in. ;)

The easiest way to pay them, of course, would be to allow alliances to set tax rates per system.

This should not be a realistic method of taking sov, having a kitey hit squad pick a blip on the map to go hit anywhere in new eden within 5 mins of making the decision

i move to another objective

All these proponents of the system keep thinking in terms of a 1v1. "I counter your off-grid boosted trollceptor with my Cerberus and my cyno alt in a Maulus."

Think about this system in the context of defending one constellation with a small alliance. Assume a small alliance (Alliance A) with a maximum of 100 players active in a given time zone. Assume a typical 0.0 constellation with six systems (three stations). In our example, there is only a single entry gate to the constellation - should be optimum terrain to defend.

Now, never mind the fact that 100 active players in six systems is going to be cramped. You want us to actually live in the space, right? So, none of these characters is making their ISK from highsec incursion running, or FW, or any way that takes them away from their space. Let's assume these are unusually unselfish people who don't mind running the worse anomalies, "just because it's for the good of the whole." They even mine to raise the index.

Alliance A is happily doing their thing in this space. They rat, they mine, they build, they roam, they do home defense. In the current sovereignty system, they can join with friendly alliances nearby to defend a critical timer. The local occupants in nearby NPC space provide lots of small gang content, but are not a threat to their ownership of the system.

Then one day Alliance B gets together 200 pilots and decides to use Alliance A as a punching bag. They move to the nearby NPC space and set up a staging area. The attack comes quickly and swiftly in the form of a 150-pilot interceptor gang. It shows up in Alliance A's prime time and by some miracle every single active member of Alliance A is online, active on comms, and has all the ships needed for a fight. Alliance B jumps into Alliance A's space and quickly begins entosising everything they can. Alliance A has 15 different structures to defend - 3 stations, six TCU's, and six IHubs. Now is where the fun [broken] part starts.

Alliance A has several possible strategies:

(1) A disregards the dictum that "he who defends everywhere, defends no where." A attempts to play a perfect defense and puts 6-7 pilots at each structure. A has to put larger ships at each position in order to compensate. Once Alliance A has committed to defending each structure, Alliance B brings in another 50 pilots in Ishtars and wrecks each one in short order. Alliance A tries to regroup and form up to meet the Ishtar fleet, but the Ishtar fleet runs whenever this happens. This goes on for four hours or until Alliance A finally loses all the timers. Even if, through some miracle, Alliance A holds on for four hours of this nonsense and manages to save half the timers, but has still lost seven. In that case, in 48 hours, they now have 35 separate structures to defend (spread throughout the constellation).

(2) A tries for a middle ground and chooses to defend the three station systems: 3 stations, 3 TCU's, and 3 IHubs. With only 9 structures, A can now put 10-12 pilots per structure. Alliance B quickly reinforces the other three systems, then uses the mobility advantage to hold A in place while it brings in the 50 Ishtars. Even if Alliance A masses all the pilots in a given system, they are still dealing with 50 Ishtars and 150 interceptors. Alliance A loses tons of tackle ships trying to hold down the Ishtars, while B warps around at will, kiting the heavier Alliance A fleet and hitting the undefended structures whenever they can. Once again, if through some miracle, Alliance A wins half the timers, they still have 25 timers (spread throughout the constellation) to defend in 48 hours.

(3) A chooses to defend only one system. They put everything into defending the station in one system. B wins all the timers that A forfeits. They then reship into a proper 200-person fleet and beat Alliance A at the station, unless A has lots of experienced pilots in capital ships. In which case A commits everything to hold that one station. B now has tons of timers; A has temporarily defended the one station.

The next day, B can threaten the station, and any other remaining structures. 48 hours later... when all those timers come out, the same basic thing happens again. B uses numbers and mobility to beat A.

Or, option (4) A realizes this is stupid and moves to the nearest NPC station. Most of the members start living off ninja-ratting, NPC missions, and exploration. No one bothers upgrading the I-Hubs, so the anomaly ratting is terrible. Mining and industry are essentially non-existent (who builds a factory in a wartorn wasteland?). People start spending more time running Incursions in high sec or FW in low sec, which fragments the alliance and tears apart the social bonds that hold it together. Without owning space, A starts to bleed off members who want to be members of a 0.0 alliance that owns space. Some move to other alliances... In other words, Goons get even bigger. Others stop playing at all. Each day, as fewer people log in to comms, it becomes less fun to be there. A dies and Eve loses a few more subscribers.

Yes, Dominion sovereignty might not be perfect, but it is a damn site better than the above. The offensive power of Fozzie Sovereignty is completely out of balance. The defender has to be able to defend everywhere, but has no opportunity to fortify or entrench his position.

Some might say, "but the same thing will happen now!" This is simply untrue. For one, in Dominion, the offense has to commit significant assets to stage an attack. Yes, if someone brings fifty supers to the fight, A may have a problem. But if fifty supers come to the fight, A can request help from friendly alliance C and we get a big fight, or a massive blue-ball fest (that at least has the advantage of only being once, not every day). In Fozzieland, if C tries to help A against B, D will entosis C's stuff. And don't forget that anyone who comes to help probably gets Space Aids. Thank you, Fozzie.

So you lose, and will lose again to another frigate or inty. You will continue this game of flying around accomplishing nothing for hours on end.....congrats, you won eve.