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Can't believe Off Grid Boosting is still around. Srsly?

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Budda Kuha
Buster Blade
#1 - 2015-03-08 20:29:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Budda Kuha
I recently bought this toon and returned to EVE after a break due to rl obligations and I was shocked to see that ogb was not only still around but that it has spread like a desease and infested most of lowsec and nullsec even. Before anyone calls me a whiner let me say this: I have much love for EVE as a game and even though i don't have much time to play it I will probably keep my accounts subbed until tranquility shuts down.I'm not a "pro" and I don't care for kb stats but i do care for good fights which way too often simply get ruined by off grid boosted undercover super ships! Wasn't this supposed to be dealt with a long time ago!? Why do you even bother balancing hulls if you're allowing a condor being turned into a garmur from off grid without any notable risk?!


The arguments for getting rid of this terrible mechanic are well known so I won't enumerate them again but seriously: CCP, get your stuff together! You guys know what a turn off ogb is for half of the pvp community, you know how it caters to a dumped down, tedious, slow and risk-averse playsyle that is literally poison to pvp as a whole! If the dogma rewrite still takes time give us something in the meantime! This bullshit mechanic has been around for way too long and not everybody is enough of an eve fanboy to endure your disregard in that respect.CCP, do something!
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#2 - 2015-03-08 20:51:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Agondray
I cant believe we can work a rover on mars with out being on grid!

FYI ongrid boost isn't going to solve the problems of people picking fights in empire, only makes it to where you have a target ongrid in low, null, and wormhole. then theres the changes to the incursion community which would be down 1 more useful ship in a site

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Budda Kuha
Buster Blade
#3 - 2015-03-08 21:02:22 UTC
Agondray wrote:
I cant believe we can work a rover on mars with out being on grid!

FYI ongrid boost isn't going to solve the problems of people picking fights in empire, only makes it to where you have a target ongrid in low, null, and wormhole. then theres the changes to the incursion community which would be down 1 more useful ship in a site



who said anything about "picking fights in empire"? Ogb gives one half of pvpers a massive practically risk free advantage over the other half while dumpening down tactical depth in the process. It's the definition of a bad mechanic that messes with all the careful balancing and complexity that ccp has created. empire, lowsec, nullsec: doesn't matter, it's still a terrible mechanic!
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#4 - 2015-03-08 21:12:00 UTC
Both fleets in an engagement can use OGB.

I find it difficult to see the 'risk free advantage' here.

Mr Epeen Cool
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#5 - 2015-03-08 21:13:51 UTC
Yes, what OP said. OGB is bad and needs to die.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#6 - 2015-03-08 21:17:18 UTC
Interaction without seeing and feeling other involved parties is bad game design. It is not engaging game play.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#7 - 2015-03-08 21:21:20 UTC
Found the new niche for supers: Off grid boosting. They alone will keep that power, while every other command link capable ship with have to stick on grid.

(Rorquals will be turned into POS modules.)

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#8 - 2015-03-08 21:21:40 UTC
I cant believe its this thread again!


My thoughts on 'I cant believe its not butter' have changed a tad though. I just don't know if I can eat a product that doesn't believe in itself. If they really wanted to fix that, they really need to rename it 'you wont believe this isn't butter'. At least then, its on you. Right as it is, the damn tub is having a crisis, and not one person wants to do anything about it.. and its title is calling out for help. Have some self confidence you buttery spread! People buy you all the time, despite the fact that you aren't butter. Don't put thoughts in my head before I even buy you. Would you do that with any other product? I know I sure as hell wouldn't buy 'I cant believe this aint cheese!'. What the ****?!?! Im staying the hell away from that. I may even rearrange the shelves to move that stuff away from the cheeses.. just so the real cheese doesn't get some kind of complex.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Potamus Jenkins
eXceed Inc.
Plucky Adventurers
#9 - 2015-03-08 21:24:07 UTC
sometimes its easier to suggest things be fixed than you know actually fixing them.
Kry Meariver
Kry Meariver Corporation
#10 - 2015-03-08 21:39:33 UTC
Off grid boosting needs to die. If a boosting ship is not on grid with a boosted ship, there should be no bonus. My guess is it is difficult to code the change.
Budda Kuha
Buster Blade
#11 - 2015-03-08 21:41:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Budda Kuha
Mr Epeen wrote:
Both fleets in an engagement can use OGB.

I find it difficult to see the 'risk free advantage' here.

Mr Epeen Cool


You're missing the point. Not everybody is willing or able to run a booster. Forcing people to run a second account to compete in small scale or solo pvp is a huge turn off. Furthermore the sheer existance of ogb penalizes players who like fast paced, spontanious and mobile pvp. It caters to risk-averse stationary pvp. For inherent logical reasons that decreases the total number of fights happening which equals to: bad for EVE pvp which equals to: Bad mechanic being bad for EVE. It's really as simple as that. The question remains: Why doesn't CCP take action?
d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-03-08 21:48:00 UTC
Budda Kuha wrote:
I recently bought this toon and returned to EVE after a break due to rl obligations and I was shocked to see that ogb was not only still around but that it has spread like a desease and infested most of lowsec and nullsec even. Before anyone calls me a whiner let me say this: I have much love for EVE as a game and even though i don't have much time to play it I will probably keep my accounts subbed until tranquility shuts down.I'm not a "pro" and I don't care for kb stats but i do care for good fights which way too often simply get ruined by off grid boosted undercover super ships! Wasn't this supposed to be dealt with a long time ago!? Why do you even bother balancing hulls if you're allowing a condor being turned into a garmur from off grid without any notable risk?!


The arguments for getting rid of this terrible mechanic are well known so I won't enumerate them again but seriously: CCP, get your stuff together! You guys know what a turn off ogb is for half of the pvp community, you know how it caters to a dumped down, tedious, slow and risk-averse playsyle that is literally poison to pvp as a whole! If the dogma rewrite still takes time give us something in the meantime! This bullshit mechanic has been around for way too long and not everybody is enough of an eve fanboy to endure your disregard in that respect.CCP, do something!


Well apparently assigning fighters off-grid is a big NO NO, but off-grid boosting is fine...

Been around since the beginning.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#13 - 2015-03-08 21:50:17 UTC
Perhaps CCP should also get rid of blobs, hot drops, falcons, warping in alts, etc.


P.S. Almost forgot AFK cloaking.


Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#14 - 2015-03-08 21:52:34 UTC
Potamus Jenkins wrote:
sometimes its easier to suggest things be fixed than you know actually fixing them.

Totally agree.

Sometimes it's also possible to suggest things be fixed when they really don't need to be anyway. For me, it's just the have-nots complaining about what they don't have when they could.
Lictas Alice
Lazer Hawkz
#15 - 2015-03-08 21:54:59 UTC
If the null sec alliances started crying about links , it would get changed. But its only really an issue too solo pilots /small gangs. Eve is suppose to be risk=reward, i'm not sure how much risk there is sitting a links alt on station/ at a pos so your 400m faction frig can kill t1 frigs.
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#16 - 2015-03-08 21:59:14 UTC
Small Gang NEED Offgb to be effective against larger Targets.

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#17 - 2015-03-08 22:01:06 UTC
CCP has already said that they want to bring links on grid. But I'm not confident that this will be any time soon.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
2Sonas1Cup
#18 - 2015-03-08 22:01:20 UTC
On grid 350km away
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#19 - 2015-03-08 22:02:16 UTC
Zappity wrote:
CCP has already said that they want to bring links on grid. But I'm not confident that this will be any time soon.



They did Nerf them, Which is why you'll find OnGB with Armour fleets.

Shield nano Fleets are still more likely to use OffGB

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
Lictas Alice
Lazer Hawkz
#20 - 2015-03-08 22:09:08 UTC
Zappity wrote:
CCP has already said that they want to bring links on grid. But I'm not confident that this will be any time soon.

They said that years ago , If i remember correctly it would be hard too implant and not really worth the time ( a summary off ccp)

We don't really need on grid links though , there other ways too 'balance' links.
A few suggestions:

Links cant be activated within 150km of station/ gate/pos/structure( too stop sitting links at pos's)
Links/rr go on any KM of any ship they help and get suspect
links causes suspect
after activating links you cant move for x time and cant re-activate for x time

I'm not saying all of those things should be implemented or even that they are good ideas . I thought of them in 1min . Pretty sure if CCP wanted too , they could make them more balanced
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