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Dev blog: Politics by Other Means: Sovereignty Phase Two

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1621 - 2015-03-04 17:55:51 UTC
I didn't get an answer before, so I'll ask again: Do we actually know the fitting requirements of the funky capture mod or is the interceptor talk based on the assumption the mod'll be fittable to frigates?

I don't want to actually argue about it, I just want to know if there's something I'm missing.
Terraniel Aurelius
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1622 - 2015-03-04 17:57:34 UTC
I think it would make sense that these entosis links need to be fit to something that is cruiser sized or larger. That should counter the griefing tactics that have already been devised by most major alliances.

Also, what is the point of having the command nodes show up anywhere within the constellation? Shouldn't they be limited to the sov that is being attacked? I mean, it makes sense if a single entity holds the constellation, but if it's just a single system held by an alliance/corp, then it seems arbitrarily tedious to have to run around all over the place to defend your sov. Sort of like fighting a war in a different country to defend your borders.

This doesn't really do anything to make null any more viable to live in. What about industry changes? Alliances are still forced to import massive amounts of minerals to build ships. How is that going to work for small groups trying to hold a little chunk of space? That seems like it would just keep the current renter-systems status quo. Big alliances can't move into smaller space because the anomalies and belts don't regenerate fast enough with the current indexes. Maybe you should look at that. Seems like it was designed back when you thought there would only be 40 people living in a single system at a time.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#1623 - 2015-03-04 18:04:26 UTC
We are going to need a fundraiser to buy the ISDs lots of aspirin.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Lena Lazair
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1624 - 2015-03-04 18:05:57 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Kah'Les wrote:
So it's not even the idea of having SOV that is tempting it's just to have you name on some page. CCP realy pulling people to large scall warfare for the right reasones.


It's a game.*Snip* Please refrain from discussing RMT. ISD Ezwal pretty much the other 99% of people in giant null sov coalitions are there for exactly the same reason as what I'm talking about. A chance to have a make-believe identity in a make-believe universe where you get to sometimes blow up other make-believe people who you make-believe hate right now for make-believe reasons.

I'd say CCP is doing this for EXACTLY the right reasons.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1625 - 2015-03-04 18:06:05 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
We are going to need a fundraiser to buy the ISDs lots of aspirin.

Motrin. Aspirin causes liver damage at high doses.

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

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Kah'Les
hirr
Pandemic Horde
#1626 - 2015-03-04 18:07:34 UTC
Just gone make sure to get it out there until I know CCP notice; I'm 100% against entosis links. SOV magic beam is the most lazy, easiest solution and 0% comidment.

I will repeat this as often as possible, null was not made for everyon. It was not made for the fresh out of rookie school noob. It's a place of comidment and time, where the ones that should be able to mainly hold sov do have a plan and man power to carryu out larger operations than those in low sec. So don't revert us to FW 2.0.
Kah'Les
hirr
Pandemic Horde
#1627 - 2015-03-04 18:08:20 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Lena Lazair wrote:
Kah'Les wrote:
So it's not even the idea of having SOV that is tempting it's just to have you name on some page. CCP realy pulling people to large scall warfare for the right reasones.


It's a game.*Snip* Please refrain from discussing RMT. ISD Ezwal, pretty much the other 99% of people in giant null sov coalitions are there for exactly the same reason as what I'm talking about. A chance to have a make-believe identity in a make-believe universe where you get to sometimes blow up other make-believe people who you make-believe hate right now for make-believe reasons.

I'd say CCP is doing this for EXACTLY the right reasons.


Tinfoil hat.
Lena Lazair
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1628 - 2015-03-04 18:08:55 UTC
Kah'Les wrote:
Just gone make sure to get it out there until I know CCP notice; I'm 100% against entosis links. SOV magic beam is the most lazy, easiest solution and 0% comidment.


As opposed to the totally realistic magic stront shield?
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#1629 - 2015-03-04 18:09:40 UTC
i don't think we have to go all the way to NC. "being in sov should be the sole province of people with a titan" spartan 300 playacting online because they do not make xxxl size hoplite uniforms for you to playact irl to suggest that maybe if you want to challenge sov you should have to at least take on some tiny amount of risk
Kah'Les
hirr
Pandemic Horde
#1630 - 2015-03-04 18:09:48 UTC
Lena Lazair wrote:
Kah'Les wrote:
Just gone make sure to get it out there until I know CCP notice; I'm 100% against entosis links. SOV magic beam is the most lazy, easiest solution and 0% comidment.


As opposed to the totally realistic magic stront shield?


And how is Prime Time any diffrent, you know zero about any game mechanics but you still know best. I love you :)
Adrian Dixon
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction
-affliction-
#1631 - 2015-03-04 18:09:57 UTC
Looking forward to seeing how this works out I hope it is the start of something great. Big smile
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#1632 - 2015-03-04 18:10:03 UTC
Kah'Les wrote:
I will repeat this as often as possible, null was not made for everyon. It was not made for the fresh out of rookie school noob. It's a place of comidment and time, where the ones that should be able to mainly hold sov do have a plan and man power to carryu out larger operations than those in low sec. So don't revert us to FW 2.0.

And yet you can't commit to defending your space for 4 hrs a day against people fresh out of rookie school?

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
Serene Repose
#1633 - 2015-03-04 18:11:20 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
We are going to need a fundraiser to buy the ISDs lots of aspirin.

Motrin. Aspirin causes liver damage at high doses.
Looks to me like a BS shovel will be needed first.
This has attracted bovine scatology on a scale unmatched in digital history.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Vyl Vit
#1634 - 2015-03-04 18:12:21 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
We are going to need a fundraiser to buy the ISDs lots of aspirin.

Motrin. Aspirin causes liver damage at high doses.
Looks to me like a BS shovel will be needed first.
This has attracted bovine scatology on a scale unmatched in digital history.
At least it's not sullying our beloved GD.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
lilol' me
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#1635 - 2015-03-04 18:12:52 UTC  |  Edited by: lilol' me
OK CCP Fozzie. There is a big elephant in the room for me. What are you going to do about large alliances like NC. and N3 just using their might to effectively own loads and load of regions ( it's getting out of hand) and do as they are now renting every system for billions and do absolutely nothing but use their capital might to stop anyone doing anything.

basically making renters do what they should be doing. what are yiu going to do to stop this because it's a joke. If you are not going to do anything then nothing changes and this will definitely make me unsub all my accounts after 10 years.

I think it is a question you seriously need to answer otherwise all this doesn't make a damn bit of difference to sov, eve or anything. I'df this was eve at the start fine but it is not and these super powers are so far ahead that no one unless you do something will make anything happen
Lena Lazair
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1636 - 2015-03-04 18:13:33 UTC
Kah'Les wrote:
Lena Lazair wrote:
Kah'Les wrote:
Just gone make sure to get it out there until I know CCP notice; I'm 100% against entosis links. SOV magic beam is the most lazy, easiest solution and 0% comidment.


As opposed to the totally realistic magic stront shield?


And how is Prime Time any diffrent, you know zero about any game mechanics but you still know best. I love you :)


I didn't say Prime Time was different. I'm also fine with Prime Time. I'm pointing out that any argument based on "realism" or "lazy magic" in a game is pointless and stupid, and you shouldn't be surprised when everyone ignores the remainder of what you have to say at that point.

Every single mechanic in this game is magic, artificial, made up, and totally unrealistic. The magic E-link sov beam is no different or worse. The only relevant discussion is whether this new artificial, magical mechanic will or will not help the state of sov null in the context of all the other artificial and magical mechanics. Don't waste our time with this "realism" bugbear.
Kah'Les
hirr
Pandemic Horde
#1637 - 2015-03-04 18:14:05 UTC
Eli Apol wrote:
Kah'Les wrote:
I will repeat this as often as possible, null was not made for everyon. It was not made for the fresh out of rookie school noob. It's a place of comidment and time, where the ones that should be able to mainly hold sov do have a plan and man power to carryu out larger operations than those in low sec. So don't revert us to FW 2.0.

And yet you can't commit to defending your space for 4 hrs a day against people fresh out of rookie school?


And if people need to use 28 hours a week to stop scrubs from taking systems, it sounds balanced how? The sov system we have now even thou it's grindy at least you only needed to spend 1 hour to stop someone from taking one system compared to making eve a second job with the new system.
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#1638 - 2015-03-04 18:15:11 UTC
seriously if you were going to try to mock my altcorp wouldn't you go with the time i forgot about a csaa tower for months until someone popped the csaa? it was right at the top of the list when you linked the altcorp

i mean fortunately it was empty but it was still p. embarassing
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1639 - 2015-03-04 18:15:51 UTC
Terraniel Aurelius wrote:
Also, what is the point of having the command nodes show up anywhere within the constellation? Shouldn't they be limited to the sov that is being attacked? I mean, it makes sense if a single entity holds the constellation, but if it's just a single system held by an alliance/corp, then it seems arbitrarily tedious to have to run around all over the place to defend your sov. Sort of like fighting a war in a different country to defend your borders.

the stated goals are to split fights for the sake of tactical interest and to avoid them being tidi-ed to tedium. the constellation thing's weird but maybe it was seen as a necessity to achieve those goals?
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#1640 - 2015-03-04 18:17:00 UTC
Kah'Les wrote:
And if people need to use 28 hours a week to stop scrubs from taking systems, it sounds balanced how? The sov system we have now even thou it's grindy at least you only needed to spend 1 hour to stop someone from taking one system compared to making eve a second job with the new system.


Kah'Les wrote:
It's a place of comidment and time


Make your mind up son.

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager