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The new system is great, now nerf or remove jump freighters from the game and ******* nerf bombers so people can use BC and BS.

Every system CCP comes up with to promote 'the lill guy going to null sov' is seriously flawed from the start.Because we start out with a flawed base where you can have big coalitions to start with.Unless that is tackled i don't ever see it becoming a place for the 'small guy'.

In other words , it won't happen.

Only option i see to make the game really interesting again in null-sec roughly outlined , and ow boy is this gonna be flamed to hell and back , is to reduce the numbergame.

Reduce the amount able to have in a corp or Alliance BIG time.
Maximum amount of blue standings 2.
No neutral or red standings.
Give the people with titans/motherships a reimbursement of their current value in isk back and the SP they stuck into it.Carriers and dreads revamped to a new role.

As i said above , a reall change it never gonna happen as a change along the lines of what i say here will never happen.Might as well just create a RvB null-sec landscape because if we go on as we did over the last 6 years then this is what is going to become the end result anyway.The players all want change , yet none in null-sec want to give in on the numbersgame , so really what point is there even trying for CCP.

Small alliances are not going to go for sov worth having, at least initially, to do so is ignoring reality and those that try will fail.

Taking poor sov systems however is fun and not expensive now and doable. So what if people come in and roll it over, the whole idea is to be able to compete and this allows people do so, even if it means that their efforts are in the end nothing more than grinding away and getting swatted, before this system you could not even do that.

The fun part which all you doomsayers ignore is the fun of just putting a TCU down and seeing what you can get, up the stakes a bit and add a deathstar, what else can we get to jump in, this will be fun, for example how many people can you get jump fatigued so they cannot get to a serious battle, seriously so many strategic options.

I even see big blocks supporting small guys next to their enemies space, I am sure taht will happen, honorable third party and all that...

And the people who could just go off and cause mayhem with no need to defend their own stuff are now going to be in the boat with the rest of us, of course they will defend against it better than the small guys, but who expects otherwise, only idiots.

EDIT: If people have not seen one theme on my posts about Sov, its to do it because I want to do it and I think I can have fun doing it, but my motive has nothing to do with ISK generation because I know it is not going to be worth it. CCP has to look at the value of low true sec systems. Yes I can make ISK out of them if I try but so much is loaded against you, I would for example run around in a PvP ship blapping belt rats just because I can, small ISK generation but why not while waiting to blap aGoon interceptor with a 20m or 80m module, but my past experience in this game is that people will just do everything they can to stop you operating there, so for me its plant your flag, have fun around the PVP generated from that.

I think SOV needs a complete overall rather than trying to hack and use whats there, thats my persona opinion, because it just feels rushed and far far too complicated.

The base question should be - Why would you want sov? What benefits does holding sov give me over living in nullsec npc instead?

At the moment the benefits are not much different. Infact many sov holding alliances dont even live in their homes, they live in NPC, why becuase they can farm the missions for high grade implants and the anoms etc. NPC region can actually be more profitable.

Most people want SOV not for the resources but for status, to get your name on the SOV map, to show people you matter, nothing more. Because you just dont see, especially the big alliances having mass mining ops etc. If they build anything its for a moon mining pos, or more poses for jump bridging, or another pos with a cyno jammer.

I see NOTHING of any alliance actually using any of the resources of the systems. The ones that they may do is the high sec ones that have index 5 for the anoms, which to be honest is a huge grindfest, i think i would rather farm belts with much higher bounties.

So CCP needs to make holding SOV worthwhile, but also make people be active rather than live in NPC or do nothing. Isnt nullsec space with a large alliances supposed to be a living breathing active world? Doesnt seem like that, now does it.

Some things we need to think about is, as mentioned why would any one want SOV, it needs to be profitable wthout having to constantly grinding but you have to work to get something.


Some recommendations to want SOV. I remember when i started 10 years ago, nullsec was the place to be the place you aimed for, the riches that you wanted. Now its just been nerfed to hell, being it back. I believe moon mining has caused some major issues. Make nullsec worth going to. Worth living in

Remove moon mining, and go to belt mining for these resources. Just like every other mineral.
Reverse the index/sec status link, if you have invested in a ihub and all the upgrades then let everyone go back to having the same benefits.
Allow multiple stations to be built, every normal system can have more than one, so why not.
Make ABC ores profitable again.
Bring back more high end DED sites, they used to be fun to do in groups. But instead of having them in certain systems make them random.
Seems to me you have also nerfed faction/officer spawns to non existence. Why?

If you dont then we might as well just all move to NPC nullsec and change every sov region to npc.


Stop trying to nerf isk making into the ground, because the more money people have the more they invest, buy more ships, more modules etc which makes better for the economy and allows people to really build an active exciting universe. Feels like we have been in austerity for years now and there is no reason for it to be. If you live in nullsec and 'prepared to do some work' then why shouldnt you get the riches?

I moved out of nullsec sov, because there is simply no reason to be there any more.

People being allowed to rent and the mooning mining has made large alliances lazy and far far too easy to make isk, that needs to stop. I do like the thoughts about making taking sov easier and quicker, but you have to have a balance that people arent just going around being annoying and griefing just for the fun of it.

I see every effort is still being made to stop changes that punish those who don't live in space they 'own'

Good job.

The people with something to fear here are those who do not live locally. No one else. Size is not a factor in terms of letting 'little' guys in. They could be crushed today and can be crushed tomorrow. The difference is that if you're not living in and using your own space then it's easy to take - and rightly so.

Use it or lose it is the message here.

looking at the wide variety of comments, suggestions and good ideas, I feel more than ever that a lot more discussion is required.
Still I am not behind the 4 hour window of vulnerability - I am not for any size window.
One of the biggest strengths in EVE online is the diversity of players. onces you box in the time frame you make a bunch of little sandboxes, while some can adapt, for the most it will cause further granulation of the sandboxes until you have neat little packaged entities that have little or No interaction with each other.
If that is what you wish - go for it, I for one will not be apart of it, I am certain there are others besides myself that love the wide open sandbox - mostly unrestricted by Time or location.
Please find a solution for this before you make changes, -
Other notes - I love small gang as much as the next pilot however having Sov solely based on small gang warfare will result in the same boring stalemate Faction warfare is in.
TCU's being a name on a map only - so then why?
Just sayin
Saf-

This is exactly why the new sov system makes me want to invest time in taking SOV. Not because I think it will the glorious start of a new space empire, but because it will be fun to do so. When I was in alliance leadership of sov holding alliances it was a lot of work but also a lot of fun.

I don't care about shi**y metrics like isk/hour, if I did then I would probably run Sisters of Eve L4's out of Osmon like half the russians in EVE do(Russians seem to find the sweet spots so much better than EU/US players). Even -1.0 systems dont generate as good a ratio iskwise as those missions do. A lot of times you can get over 4000/lp ratio. But I hate running missions almost as much as I hate running anomalies.

Sov is fun because it poses some challenges to me and the players I fly with that which are not there when living in HS, LS or NPC Null. Also its a great way to have younger players get their legs kneedeep in pvp since pvp always comes to you. Not only in the form of sov attacks, but often also in the form of roaming gangs. I am guessing that roaming gangs will routinely have an entosis module on a ship to provoke a fight, but if they get the fight most of them wont use it. Maybe goons are different in this, and so be it.

The goon campaign in this thread is interesting to follow on many levels. First of they dont like the change and want to show a way for it to be used in griefing in order to change the mechanics before they are implemented on TQ. Secondly they tell everyone that they will do whatever it takes to ruin the game for those who dare to nibble at their vast areas of empty space. Third is that their players enjoy this and will have fun making others miserable. Its their isk/RL money which goes to pay for subscription and they have their right to play the game however they want.

Sov like this will enable me to have more nullsec fun without the f**cking structure shooting which POS Sov and Dominion SOV entailed.

Edit: I dont dislike goons or cfc, especially goons have impressed me a lot over the years. I dislike mechanics which preclude anything but 2-4 massive coalitions which leads to a decaying and risk-averse nullsec.

I have a question. Dev blog says build price of Sov lasers are 20 and 80m respectively. This leads me to assume that the Drifters will drop blueprints. So the real cost of the mods will be way higher than their build cost right? Does this influence the real worth of the mods or do you guys think that this bears little influence? Because Drifters are hard to kil...

I've been asking people the same question... *tumbleweeds*
Also, will it be a straight build, or invention/chance based? How numerous exactly are Drifters anyway?
Queue supply/demand...