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Never. Ever. Again.

Everytime someone says the word paplink out loud I break whatever I'm holding.

Yes. My cerberus alt is ready for this.
In fact I'm just worrying that visual effect that shows which ship is applying Entosis Link is hard to notice in swarm of such bastards before it is to late.

That's a more valid concern.

Perhaps a color option for the overview? Or an icon a-la scram/webs/ewar?

Nice to see, how imaginative people are becoming in dealing with the pre reinforcement stage, in reality, for occupied systems, they will be tested and passed over, in most circumstances in the search for empty, easy systems.

If they are occupied, then if someone wants to conquer you, interceptors, are not going to be the tool of choice, a larger force will burst through or cyno past the gatecamps, and bring full scale warfare down upon your head.

Interceptors? Nothing but scouts with the ability to start the process of robbing systems from the lazy and absent.

I believe CCP had decided they want systems to be lived in and defended by their residents?
If so as designed.
If in your entire constallation, you cannot bring a few to deal with a single interceptor with a link trying to capture your sov, in your peak time, in your home, then seriously, how can anyone have the cheek to call it home?

If a big fleet comes? You are still going to have to defend yourself somehow, did anyone really expect otherwise?

Sure, the issue of whether small truesec constellations can support enough to call it home must be asked and answered, but everyone, every area of space, will support anyone having sufficient to afford to live in their home.
Often the best way to deal with such issues if they are determined to exist is, rather than increase the maximum reward from an area, the best issue is to increase the baseline, to provide at the minimum a good standard of living, with more available, quick sites.
But that is an issue for a seperate thread I imagine, it is important enough to justify it.

See, we're already moving away from myth of the unkillable trollceptor to a proper fleet engagement.

Shouldn't have been this hard, but we got there.


Could it be that they were, in fact, aiming for exactly this? To make it possible to take undefended sov without a [super]cap grind, to ensure that uncontested/undefended areas fall quickly, but defended areas are much harder to dislodge without making a proper effort?

It's almost as if the advantages are stacked to the attackers if the space is unused and undefended but stacked with the defenders if it is. Some tweaks required, but they're damned sure in the right ballpark.

You may very well think that, I couldn't possibly comment.
However the possibility of the loss of rental empires, and large areas of lightly or unoccupied space, could also have had some consideration in the article.

Who knows?

Nothing like handing out pitchforks and burning brands to the mob, and then acting surprised at the results, to get your own way?

It is like one of those demonstrations where everyone turns up with pre printed banners and vests.

Surely not!

But an old tactic, CCP are a lot smarter now, if they were ever that gullible is doubtful. Surely they wouldn't waste their time with such jaded and discredited methods, so you may be right, generous. Right......

Did I mention gullible?

1) So nothing changes there so were off to a good start

2) Very true but I think the question should be - When will sov become worth something. These changes we get told only little pieces of information regarding,coming up to 6 months apart is not good for moral (6 accounts unsubbed, 2 sold, 2 to go, if i don't feel the game holds value for me soon, well.,.,. (I know, I'm just 1 person, who cares if I leave)

3) Goons and others like them will only be an issue if CCP get this wrong. These changes implemented correctly, with minor changes to jump bridges and how sov is held and taken could see the blok members no better off than a lone 400 man alliance.

4) see response 2)

5) you missed it so I will too.

6) I'm not OCD but do like things to be "just so"

7) I like most of the changes but a few tweaks could see a big improvement in regard to small groups taking and holding sov.

8) When vague descriptions and guesses is all you have, you go with what is available. CCP history in this sort of thing, opens the door to the worst case scenario usually being close to right.

9) Yeah I mentioned earlier how much more power CCP is giving a cloak camper and still no way to counter them. Sov will be easier to lose if defensive indexes are low and ONE cloaky camper can pretty much ensure, they stay low.

10) LOL, you really think large alliances are going to risk their own sov with multiple "prime times" when they can just as easily use the time to screw everyone else over?
Another point, I imagined prime time would be a once daily thing that is preset. If you can have multiple "Prime Times" or they can be easily changed there is really no point having them at all.
I can see it now, nah don't feel like doing prime time today, lets cancel it.
Oh no, there is Goons/PL/BL/NC. (or anyone else you can name) a few jumps away, quick change prime time.

For "Prime Time" to be a valid mechanic it needs to be at a set time for "at least" 7 days at a time.
4 hours might be a little too long, especially for any group with members who have lives.
4 hours is tuning eve into a job, prime time should be meaningful but not demanding.
Surviving prime time should also have rewards. Games with these sort of mechanics all have a reward system - This is not in the nature of eve but if eve is going to continue expanding the "mini game" concept, it needs to be worth it to players to participate.

11) There is a major problem with the new sov mechanics. The use of outside help to take or hold sov is handing the bloks what ever wherever they want.
Sov warfare needs to be alliance based. Or at best if an alliance has outside help, all multipliers surrounding sov are increased for every fleet member not in the attacking or defending alliance.
If your ihub has been RF'd and a fleet made up of 5 different alliances turns up to kill it, for every person shooting the ihub who is not in the primary alliance (the one who RF'd it) the ihub gets extra armor and hull. So if you bring a 250 man fleet and 200 of them are from different alliances the ihub is going to be just as hard to kill is it is now.

Or, much easier to implement but will upset coalition members. If anyone other than the attacking alliance shoots the structure, it does not take damage - a bit like shooting a pos that has been RF'd.

No point reducing hit points on sov structures if the only real benefit is to large groups of blues.

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Under the new and improved sov, blue status should ONLY mean "we won't attack you" and "we will trade with you and allow you safe passage, docking rights, etc. What it should not mean is, lets put together huge fleets and go screw with small sov holders.

CCP has an opportunity here to minimize the effects large coalitions have on sov nul. I hope they don't waste it.

:tinfoil:

The plan is working as intended. CCP make sov so bad that it empties. When the carrot patch comes everyone rushes back out again. A Soft reset, giving the illusion of motion.

I wavered on the "entertain it's members by" part. The statement would be just as valid without those words

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Interesting, some were complaining it is a ****** up mechanic, and then making suggestions for changes, then admitting they had not read it ?


Surely not, isn't any proposal potentially ****** up until you read it? And discover the opposite?

Next time Fozzie make people quote paragraph 8 word 16 before they are allowed to comment, they may not understand it, but they at least put the effort in to read it.